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Old 02-21-2007, 04:30 AM
bigticket bigticket is offline
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Default Is this chip dumping/collusion??

PokerStars Game #8547219552: Hold'em Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/02/21 - 02:40:07 (ET)
Table 'Gemma' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: Valentine121 ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: gmpoker87 ($106.50 in chips)
Valentine121: posts small blind $1
gmpoker87: posts big blind $3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Valentine121 said, "hi"
gmpoker87 said, "we meet again"
Valentine121: raises $3 to $6
gmpoker87: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [Ks 3h 4c]
Valentine121 said, "i'll beat you"
gmpoker87: bets $3
bigticketmn joins the table at seat #5
Valentine121: raises $3 to $6
gmpoker87: raises $3 to $9
Valentine121: raises $3 to $12
Betting is capped
gmpoker87: calls $3
*** TURN *** [Ks 3h 4c] [2c]
gmpoker87: bets $6
Valentine121: raises $6 to $12
gmpoker87: raises $6 to $18
Valentine121: raises $6 to $24
Betting is capped
gmpoker87: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [Ks 3h 4c 2c] [2d]
gmpoker87: bets $6
Valentine121: raises $6 to $12
gmpoker87: raises $6 to $18
Valentine121: raises $6 to $24
Betting is capped
gmpoker87: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Valentine121: shows [Th Ad] (a pair of Deuces)
gmpoker87: shows [Kh Ac] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
gmpoker87 collected $131 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $132 | Rake $1
Board [Ks 3h 4c 2c 2d]
Seat 3: Valentine121 (button) (small blind) showed [Th Ad] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 4: gmpoker87 (big blind) showed [Kh Ac] and won ($131) with two pair, Kings and Deuces






PokerStars Game #8547226109: Hold'em Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/02/21 - 02:41:06 (ET)
Table 'Gemma' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 3: Valentine121 ($34 in chips)
Seat 4: gmpoker87 ($170.50 in chips)
Seat 5: bigticketmn ($31 in chips)
bigticketmn: posts small blind $1
Valentine121: posts big blind $3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bigticketmn [Kc 5h]
gmpoker87: calls $3
bigticketmn: calls $2
Valentine121: raises $3 to $6
gmpoker87 said, "check"
gmpoker87: calls $3
bigticketmn: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [3d 5d 9h]
Valentine121 said, "what ?"
bigticketmn: checks
Valentine121: checks
gmpoker87: bets $3
bigticketmn: raises $3 to $6
Valentine121 said, "i dont check"
Valentine121: raises $3 to $9
gmpoker87: calls $6
bigticketmn: calls $3
*** TURN *** [3d 5d 9h] [6c]
bigticketmn has timed out while being disconnected
bigticketmn is being treated as all-in
Valentine121: checks
gmpoker87: bets $6
Valentine121: raises $6 to $12
gmpoker87: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [3d 5d 9h 6c] [Ad]
Valentine121: checks
gmpoker87: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Valentine121: shows [Qh 4c] (high card Ace)
gmpoker87: shows [3s 3h] (three of a kind, Threes)
gmpoker87 collected $24 from side pot
LPC72 joins the table at seat #6
bigticketmn is disconnected
bigticketmn: mucks hand
bigticketmn is sitting out
gmpoker87 collected $44 from main pot
bigticketmn is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $69 Main pot $44. Side pot $24. | Rake $1
Board [3d 5d 9h 6c Ad]
Seat 3: Valentine121 (big blind) showed [Qh 4c] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 4: gmpoker87 (button) showed [3s 3h] and won ($68) with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 5: bigticketmn (small blind) mucked [Kc 5h]


Look at the first hand, that looks very suspicious like chip dumping then the second hand when I enter the game and the chat that ensues with the one guy saying to check appears to be collusion. I emailed the support and will see how they handle it.
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Old 02-21-2007, 10:09 AM
fatshaft fatshaft is offline
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Default Re: Is this chip dumping/collusion??

why would anyone chip dump in a limit game?
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Old 02-21-2007, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: Is this chip dumping/collusion??

No way people would choose a limit game to chip dump.
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Old 02-21-2007, 11:55 AM
TomR TomR is offline
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Default Re: Is this chip dumping/collusion??

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Look at the first hand, that looks very suspicious like chip dumping then the second hand when I enter the game and the chat that ensues with the one guy saying to check appears to be collusion. I emailed the support and will see how they handle it.

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The guy said "check" preflop with a pair of 3's on the button. How is that collusion? If he had said it after flopping trips you might have a valid complaint.
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:13 PM
tagtastic tagtastic is offline
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Default Re: Is this chip dumping/collusion??

3/6 limit is THE spot for Canadian drug lord money laundering via chip dumping. It's a problem, a serious problem.
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Old 02-21-2007, 01:48 PM
jkj jkj is offline
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Default Re: Is this chip dumping/collusion??

I don't even know whether to take that reply seriously or not. Can you explain why anyone would choose limit to chip dump?
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Old 02-21-2007, 02:51 PM
MR EPI MR EPI is offline
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Default Re: Is this chip dumping/collusion??

Looks like I am going to report you for abusing the disconnection protection. I would be more inclined to think this was chip dumping if they were playing 1/2. Also I am so dumb i am going to collude in chat. so this gives you more evidence.
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Old 02-21-2007, 03:21 PM
shag shag is offline
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Default Re: Is this chip dumping/collusion??

why would anyone chip dump in a cash game? this seems rediculous.
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Old 02-21-2007, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: Is this chip dumping/collusion??

i chip dump in limit games. i find its easier to do as the pots are bigger and not that many questionable plays. "I c/r the turn to steal the pot, so I had to call down on the river with A high."
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Old 02-22-2007, 01:19 PM
El_Hombre_Grande El_Hombre_Grande is offline
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Default Re: Is this chip dumping/collusion??

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3/6 limit is THE spot for Canadian drug lord money laundering via chip dumping. It's a problem, a serious problem.

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LOL.

Alert George Dubya. I knew those SOBS across the river were up to no good and now I have the proof.....And to think they were smart enough to hide it in a low limit LHE game...Good work, detective.

OP, this appears to be stupid play (on a number of levels), not chip dumping. At least not the fraud kind. This is actually referred to as "spewing."
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