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12-02-2007, 01:42 AM
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Re: who does tOSU play in the title game?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So had Va Tech lost to a mediocre team by 40, it would almost be better for them. [/ QUOTE ] And that's why the H2H argument is flawed. Losing to a mediocre team should never be > losing to a really good team. Other things being equal you'd put LSU above Va. Tech because of that game, but other things aren't equal. LSU lost at home to a crap team with everything on the line, and Va. Tech killed all the bad teams they played. That being said I'd probably still put LSU slightly ahead of Va. Tech but I definitely think Va. Tech > Georgia, USC and Oklahoma. [/ QUOTE ] if it was somewhat close game sure but a 41 point beating? come on, LSU>>>>>Va Tech [/ QUOTE ] Here is the reason this fails. If we were comparing two roughly equivalent teams, and one of those teams happened to beat the other one by 41 points, then its a no-brainer that they should get to go. But that isnt what we are doing. We are comparing Team A that managed to beat Team B by 41 and STILL isnt better than them, and Team B which managed to lose by 41 to Team A and STILL isnt worse than them. So the 41 point loss is already taken into consideration. If we ignored that loss, VaTech would be WAY ahead of LSU. It is that loss that makes them roughly equal. So you have to find a new criterion. 
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12-02-2007, 01:44 AM
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Re: who does tOSU play in the title game?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So had Va Tech lost to a mediocre team by 40, it would almost be better for them. [/ QUOTE ] And that's why the H2H argument is flawed. Losing to a mediocre team should never be > losing to a really good team. Other things being equal you'd put LSU above Va. Tech because of that game, but other things aren't equal. LSU lost at home to a crap team with everything on the line, and Va. Tech killed all the bad teams they played. That being said I'd probably still put LSU slightly ahead of Va. Tech but I definitely think Va. Tech > Georgia, USC and Oklahoma. [/ QUOTE ] if it was somewhat close game sure but a 41 point beating? come on, LSU>>>>>Va Tech [/ QUOTE ] Here is the reason this fails. If we were comparing two roughly equivalent teams, and one of those teams happened to beat the other one by 41 points, then its a no-brainer that they should get to go. But that isnt what we are doing. We are comparing Team A that managed to beat Team B by 41 and STILL isnt better than them, and Team B which managed to lose by 41 to Team A and STILL isnt worse than them. So the 41 point loss is already taken into consideration. If we ignored that loss, VaTech would be WAY ahead of LSU. It is that loss that makes them roughly equal. So you have to find a new criterion. [/ QUOTE ] Seriously, I actually kind of like this argument. I still think LSU > Va Tech but this does cast some doubt on the strength of the "just look at the h2h matchup". Well played sir.
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12-02-2007, 01:48 AM
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Re: who does tOSU play in the title game?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So had Va Tech lost to a mediocre team by 40, it would almost be better for them. [/ QUOTE ] And that's why the H2H argument is flawed. Losing to a mediocre team should never be > losing to a really good team. Other things being equal you'd put LSU above Va. Tech because of that game, but other things aren't equal. LSU lost at home to a crap team with everything on the line, and Va. Tech killed all the bad teams they played. That being said I'd probably still put LSU slightly ahead of Va. Tech but I definitely think Va. Tech > Georgia, USC and Oklahoma. [/ QUOTE ] if it was somewhat close game sure but a 41 point beating? come on, LSU>>>>>Va Tech [/ QUOTE ] Here is the reason this fails. If we were comparing two roughly equivalent teams, and one of those teams happened to beat the other one by 41 points, then its a no-brainer that they should get to go. But that isnt what we are doing. We are comparing Team A that managed to beat Team B by 41 and STILL isnt better than them, and Team B which managed to lose by 41 to Team A and STILL isnt worse than them. So the 41 point loss is already taken into consideration. If we ignored that loss, VaTech would be WAY ahead of LSU. It is that loss that makes them roughly equal. So you have to find a new criterion. [/ QUOTE ] Seriously, I actually kind of like this argument. I still think LSU > Va Tech but this does cast some doubt on the strength of the "just look at the h2h matchup". Well played sir. [/ QUOTE ] I dont like EITHER of those teams for the NC actually (although I personally enjoy both of them and like to watch them play and wouldnt mind them making it) I think it should be USC but I think my argument is still a valid objection to the H2H problem.
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12-02-2007, 01:44 AM
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Re: who does tOSU play in the title game?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So had Va Tech lost to a mediocre team by 40, it would almost be better for them. [/ QUOTE ] And that's why the H2H argument is flawed. Losing to a mediocre team should never be > losing to a really good team. Other things being equal you'd put LSU above Va. Tech because of that game, but other things aren't equal. LSU lost at home to a crap team with everything on the line, and Va. Tech killed all the bad teams they played. That being said I'd probably still put LSU slightly ahead of Va. Tech but I definitely think Va. Tech > Georgia, USC and Oklahoma. [/ QUOTE ] if it was somewhat close game sure but a 41 point beating? come on, LSU>>>>>Va Tech [/ QUOTE ] Here is the reason this fails. If we were comparing two roughly equivalent teams, and one of those teams happened to beat the other one by 41 points, then its a no-brainer that they should get to go. But that isnt what we are doing. We are comparing Team A that managed to beat Team B by 41 and STILL isnt better than them, and Team B which managed to lose by 41 to Team A and STILL isnt worse than them. So the 41 point loss is already taken into consideration. If we ignored that loss, VaTech would be WAY ahead of LSU. It is that loss that makes them roughly equal. So you have to find a new criterion. [/ QUOTE ] If VT doesn't blow a 13 point lead with 4 minutes to go, they are in the championship game with no questions.
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12-02-2007, 01:47 AM
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Re: who does tOSU play in the title game?
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Hawaii, Kansas, and tOSU are the three you have to choose from. How can you pick a two loss team over a one loss team or an undefeated team? [/ QUOTE ] Beccause Kirk Herbstreit tells you to.
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12-02-2007, 01:48 AM
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Re: who does tOSU play in the title game?
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If VT doesn't blow a 13 point lead with 4 minutes to go, they are in the championship game with no questions. [/ QUOTE ] You could say this about a dozen different teams.
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12-02-2007, 01:47 AM
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Re: who does tOSU play in the title game?
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Hawaii, Kansas, and tOSU are the three you have to choose from. How can you pick a two loss team over a one loss team or an undefeated team? [/ QUOTE ] The same way that people were going to take one loss teams over an undefeated team. KU is better than Washington, but worse than every 2-loss team being discussed, and shouldn't even go to a BCS game let alone the title game.
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12-02-2007, 01:47 AM
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Re: who does tOSU play in the title game?
You people think that picking the "championship" game will be difficult.
Here's a likely scenario. Two teams are chosen for the NC game with one a favorite. The underdog will win of course because that's just the way thinks work this year. Then, there will be 2-3 other teams that could lay claim to the National Championship especially if they play well in their non-NC game.
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12-02-2007, 02:02 AM
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Re: who does tOSU play in the title game?
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You people think that picking the "championship" game will be difficult. Here's a likely scenario. Two teams are chosen for the NC game with one a favorite. The underdog will win of course because that's just the way thinks work this year. Then, there will be 2-3 other teams that could lay claim to the National Championship especially if they play well in their non-NC game. [/ QUOTE ] osu is gonna play lsu and be a fairly large underdog. if they win there really cant be any controversy.
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