NL Bots on Full Tilt

[illunious]

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If they could get PT Pat or PA Josh to verify each of them registered a copy of their programs, this would be proof enough for me that they aren't bots, and were playing for themselves, maybe sharing BR, but probably not being paid a wage.


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Yes, because they had to set up seperate accounts with FTP, which means seperate funding sources. Then they all had to send in seperate utility bills and stuff during the FTP investigation.

BUT to have seperate PT and PA HUD??? That would clinch it beyond a doubt. No way they could be getting paid a wage with that!

Your ability to reason illogically is astounding. Does NASA know about you?

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Registering a FT account requires separate IDs. Registering PA/PT does not.

If you're paying people to play for you, you're very likely to just register these programs yourself. Why go through the trouble of registering them under each of your workers names?

I'll ignore the NASA comment.... as it's coming from someone who thinks a clean desk is the smoking gun.

[DWarrior]

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If someone who actually understands statistics could actually explain the important of their stats converging and explain why players using a similiar system or working together would be unable to reach this level of convergence over the sample we have we can just end this thread, and make a new one about hating bots right? What am I missing?

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That would be nice to see. Unfortunately, all the people using stats so far (myself included) don't seem to have enough experience to be considered trustworthy experts.

[TheJared]

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If someone who actually understands statistics could actually explain the important of their stats converging and explain why players using a similiar system or working together would be unable to reach this level of convergence over the sample we have we can just end this thread, and make a new one about hating bots right? What am I missing?

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That would be nice to see. Unfortunately, all the people using stats so far (myself included) don't seem to have enough experience to be considered trustworthy experts.

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Well lets get this [censored] going!!

I am tired of reading 1600 posts about unconclusive evidence and hersay these aren't going to prove they are or aren't bots.

[cardcounter0]

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Registering a FT account requires separate IDs. Registering PA/PT does not.

If you're paying people to play for you, you're very likely to just register these programs yourself. Why go through the trouble of registering them under each of your workers names?


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Uhhh... because you already went to all the trouble of registering your workers with FTP (which is a harder process), so yeah, very likely, there is no way registering the HUDs for your workers would be done since it is so much easier.

It isn't NASA, you work for Defense Intelligence, right?

[DWarrior]

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Registering a FT account requires separate IDs. Registering PA/PT does not.

If you're paying people to play for you, you're very likely to just register these programs yourself. Why go through the trouble of registering them under each of your workers names?


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Uhhh... because you already went to all the trouble of registering your workers with FTP (which is a harder process), so yeah, very likely, there is no way registering the HUDs for your workers would be done since it is so much easier.

It isn't NASA, you work for Defense Intelligence, right?

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tuff_fish is a rocket scientist

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

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if they were bots why would they have so many chairs?

they would not need more than 1 chair in that pic. i doubt they would work out that much detail.

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

also, this comment:

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I do not know if this is cheating but in my opinion it is an unfair advantage. It might as well be cheating.

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is retarded.

[ibluffoldladies]

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serious comment:

if they were bots why would they have so many chairs?

they would not need more than 1 chair in that pic. i doubt they would work out that much detail.

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You mean the small detail of showing a picture which incriminates them right? Ok.

[prodonkey]

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If someone who actually understands statistics could actually explain the important of their stats converging and explain why players using a similiar system or working together would be unable to reach this level of convergence over the sample we have we can just end this thread, and make a new one about hating bots right? What am I missing?

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You're not missing anything.. for all their stats to converge to this level of accuracy is almost impossible. You can have preflop guides which will tell you exactly how to play and over a few hundred k hands those would converge. But post flop is a totally different matter, there could be no discussion of anything as has been pointed out, since the numbers are so drastically similar.

I honestly can't see this happening even if this was a group of people playing and deferring big decisions to a central person. I think the biggest clue is the river sample of the one person who they didn't have many hands on.. something like 200 rivers or something like that.. yet the bet % was still within a minute % of the others with much larger samples.

I like how he doesn't want to give out "strategy" for his 1bb/hr system. This magic note he takes and poof! Have you not looked at the other forums around here? People talk strategy against others they play with all the time!

Trust me.. nobody is going to want to steal your 1bb/hr system. The fact that you won't give any more info though is curious though.. if you don't think you're doing something wrong, what's the problem with giving out info.

From your stats you c-bet 97% of time.. then pretty much shut it down on the turn.. so everyone should float you imo.

[illunious]

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Registering a FT account requires separate IDs. Registering PA/PT does not.

If you're paying people to play for you, you're very likely to just register these programs yourself. Why go through the trouble of registering them under each of your workers names?


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Uhhh... because you already went to all the trouble of registering your workers with FTP (which is a harder process), so yeah, very likely, there is no way registering the HUDs for your workers would be done since it is so much easier.

It isn't NASA, you work for Defense Intelligence, right?

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How can someone that thinks a clean desk is meaningful think that their PA/PT registration paper trail is insignificant?

If PT Pat posted that this guy registered 3 copies of PokerTracker, would you ask for a picture of Pats desk at the FBI to see if it was dirty?