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#1
10-12-2007, 08:35 AM
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Re: ATs vs LAG
Isn't the OP better served by leading this flop? Normally I'd take a c/c line HU but not against 3 opponents.
If the hero checks, he risks getting pushed off his hand by a villain bet, and a raise behind. The hero can't 3 bet MPTK OOP against 3 opponents and it sure doesn't make a whole lot of sense to call two cold. Leading is the only rational line to take. When/if the villain raises, everyone between the villain and the hero are calling two cold. If the villain calls and it's raised by a LP opponent, the hero can either 3 bet to squeeze the villain, call with the nut BDFD or fold knowing he's playing MPTK OOP in a multiway pot. 
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#2
10-12-2007, 12:18 PM
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Re: ATs vs LAG
Stupid preflop question: Does anyone 3bet this? If other opponents are noticing laggy is raising loose they may be coldcalling with less than great hands.
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#3
10-12-2007, 12:23 PM
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Re: ATs vs LAG
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Stupid preflop question: Does anyone 3bet this? If other opponents are noticing laggy is raising loose they may be coldcalling with less than great hands. [/ QUOTE ] Second to last to act, I'd much rather call. I don't mind the BB coming along for the ride with almost any two cards, and I don't think a value raise is going to be anywhere near profitable enough to compensate for our position.
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#4
10-12-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: ATs vs LAG
first to answer the 3 bet preflop question? Why 3 bet it from out of position against 3 opps. The villain may not have much but I can see one of the callers with AJ or AQ.
Second leading the flop against the villian would be an ok play heads up but a check raise is better, but leading with second pair into 3 opps is not +EV. Let the lag player keep the lead and see what the other 2 opps do. When they fold check raise the flop and bet the turn. As for him 3 betting the flop how often does he 3 bet flops when check raised. That would give you a clearer answer how to proceed if he 3 bets. Defenitly not going to fold to it. I may bet out on turn and see how he reacts. If he raises and I miss its time to let it go.
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#5
10-12-2007, 01:20 PM
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Re: ATs vs LAG
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but leading with second pair into 3 opps is not +EV. [/ QUOTE ]I think it is. There may be other plays that have higher EV, but it's not negative or neutral EV. [ QUOTE ] Let the lag player keep the lead and see what the other 2 opps do. When they fold check raise the flop and bet the turn. [/ QUOTE ]Are you checking with the assumption that the other two are going to fold to an aggro guy's bet? If you want them to fold (why wouldn't you?) you have a much better chance if they're facing two bets.
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#6
10-12-2007, 03:58 PM
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Re: ATs vs LAG
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I'd also have bet out. [ QUOTE ] Isn't the OP better served by leading this flop? Normally I'd take a c/c line HU but not against 3 opponents. If the hero checks, he risks getting pushed off his hand by a villain bet, and a raise behind. The hero can't 3 bet MPTK OOP against 3 opponents and it sure doesn't make a whole lot of sense to call two cold. Leading is the only rational line to take. When/if the villain raises, everyone between the villain and the hero are calling two cold. If the villain calls and it's raised by a LP opponent, the hero can either 3 bet to squeeze the villain, call with the nut BDFD or fold knowing he's playing MPTK OOP in a multiway pot. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I do think hero should lead.
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#7
10-13-2007, 01:07 AM
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Re: ATs vs LAG
if there is a bet from the villian and a raise behind its an easy fold. This is not a hand you want to play out of position. That is why I like the check play. It allows you to define you postion in the hand, and by checking you give yourself the last action if the aggro bets. Second button on this board is scary against multiple opps.
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