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Old 11-18-2007, 07:31 PM
netstorm netstorm is offline
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Default $100nl: I dont believe you, I shove

Villain is a nit, 19/16/5 over 200 hands. These were datamined, so no real reads. We havent been in any pots together before this hand.

How is my shove?

If this was incorrect, can you give me a different line ?

Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $48
UTG: $103.49
CO: $100
BTN: $56.53
Hero (SB): $252.61

Pre-Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $4</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $3.50, BB calls $3

Flop: ($12) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

Turn: ($12) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $32</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $100
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:46 PM
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Default Re: $100nl: I dont believe you, I shove

Well, 19/16/5 is not a nit.

Also, I like a pfrr here.

turn push is fine.
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:48 PM
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Default Re: $100nl: I dont believe you, I shove

god i puked when i read the topic and thought plz god dont let it be something silly like "i have two pair i dont think you have it im allin"
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:55 PM
Ranma4703 Ranma4703 is offline
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Default Re: $100nl: I dont believe you, I shove

What does he not cbet that calls this push, that you are beating? Because I think the answer is nothing. If he had something on the flop, he would have bet it because it is drawy, but he would not have bet a naked gutshot. He might be getting aggressive on you with a flush draw - I don't know what to do in this spot. I would probably put it in at the table, but analyzing it I think a fold is good.

Also, I hate a reraise here out of position, but I also hate a call out of position.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: $100nl: I dont believe you, I shove

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god i puked when i read the topic and thought plz god dont let it be something silly like "i have two pair i dont think you have it im allin"

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very constructive. Care to actually comment on my play in the hand, and give me a better line then?
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:03 PM
Kala1928 Kala1928 is offline
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Default Re: $100nl: I dont believe you, I shove

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god i puked when i read the topic and thought plz god dont let it be something silly like "i have two pair i dont think you have it im allin"

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very constructive. Care to actually comment on my play in the hand, and give me a better line then?

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allin is good

i mean its not like "i think you have nothing im gonna bluff you im allin" its "wow i have two pair im allin"
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:31 PM
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Default Re: $100nl: I dont believe you, I shove

Why on earth would he not cbet this flop and then raise turn. A bluff wouldn't make any sense. It's either TT or 89. I fold this uncommited and OOP.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: $100nl: I dont believe you, I shove

what is he calling this push with that you beat?

98 and 77 are both very likely holdings for him to have, not sure why you think he is FOS
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:49 PM
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Default Re: $100nl: I dont believe you, I shove

I don't have a problem with your shove, he could be JJ-AA? However, it does seem like his lack of a c-bet means strength.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: $100nl: I dont believe you, I shove

People who advocate a push here are obv on a heater. A 19/16/5 is NEVER checking behind that wet flop w/ a made hand. He's got 89 or 77 like 95% of the time.
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