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Phil Gordon on Malmuth and Sklansky
So I was just finishing reading Phil Gordon's Little Blue Book. At the end of the book he has section called A Short Guide To Poker Jargon. There he describes something he calles FPS or fance play syndrome. He says:
[ QUOTE ] An expensive tendency, espicially evident in players who have just read Sklansky and Malmuth, to overuse "trick" plays like checkraising or semibluffing. [/ QUOTE ] Is he taking a shot at DS and MM? Seems like he isn't giving them much credit for what they have done. Also it seems to me that 2+2'ers generally don't like Phil Gordon... Has it anything to do with this? |
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Re: Phil Gordon on Malmuth and Sklansky
I don't think so, it's very easy to fall into that trap after reading HPFAP if the ideas are new to you.
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Re: Phil Gordon on Malmuth and Sklansky
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So I was just finishing reading Phil Gordon's Little Blue Book. At the end of the book he has section called A Short Guide To Poker Jargon. There he describes something he calles FPS or fance play syndrome. He says: [ QUOTE ] An expensive tendency, espicially evident in players who have just read Sklansky and Malmuth, to overuse "trick" plays like checkraising or semibluffing. [/ QUOTE ] Is he taking a shot at DS and MM? Seems like he isn't giving them much credit for what they have done. Also it seems to me that 2+2'ers generally don't like Phil Gordon... Has it anything to do with this? [/ QUOTE ] He's probably referencing Hold Em Poker for Advanced Players. Players with a beginner/intermediate understanding of poker like Gordon often don't understand or misapply the concepts suggested in the book. |
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Re: Phil Gordon on Malmuth and Sklansky
I don't think Gordon is taking a shot at them. All I think he is saying is that inexperienced players often misapply advanced concepts. If anything I think he's using Malmuth and Sklansky as examples of author's that write about advanced concepts.
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Re: Phil Gordon on Malmuth and Sklansky
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Players with a beginner/intermediate understanding of poker like Gordon often don't understand or misapply the concepts suggested in the book. [/ QUOTE ] His LGB really wasn't all that bad for a starter book, but I suspect he'd just drown trying anything advanced. Sklansky's stuff might not be perfect but it was certainly groundbreaking on arrival. Frankly, with Gordon's vast bankroll, I wonder how well he really does overall. What little of his playing I've seen hasn't been that impressive - and his hands shake like crazy when he's playing. Who knows. |
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Re: Phil Gordon on Malmuth and Sklansky
I don't think that's a shot at all. He's simply saying some players get excited after reading some 2+2 books and over-use some of the concepts they've learned. How is that taking a shot? In fact, in LGB he credits Sklansky IIRC.
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Re: Phil Gordon on Malmuth and Sklansky
I remember the Fancy Play Syndrome from the SS2 section on LHE by Jennifer Harman. Dunno whom she got it from.
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Re: Phil Gordon on Malmuth and Sklansky
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I don't think that's a shot at all. He's simply saying some players get excited after reading some 2+2 books and over-use some of the concepts they've learned. How is that taking a shot? In fact, in LGB he credits Sklansky IIRC. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Phil Gordon on Malmuth and Sklansky
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Also it seems to me that 2+2'ers generally player hate Phil Gordon... [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Phil Gordon on Malmuth and Sklansky
Thanks TT, you said what has been rattling in my mind for a year now. I remember sitting at 9/18 and one person didn't know who Caro was, and we all laughed at him. But to think of it, I never liked what he wrote, I never made it out of the aisle of Borders with any of his books except for "Tells," which has collected dust.
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