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Old 12-01-2007, 04:06 PM
ectomorfo ectomorfo is offline
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Default How bad is this call? (draws on the flop)

I mean the flop call.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($56.55)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($22.35)</font>
<font color="#C00000">BB ($71.05)</font>
UTG ($53.90)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($52.05)</font>

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($4) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $2.5</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $2.50, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $21.35 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $72.55 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $48.55 (All-In).
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:08 PM
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Default Re: How bad is this call? (draws on the flop)

slightly bad.i don't think i would make it. ur prob up against
more than just 2 pair here and u don't want to be drawing just to the flush.
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:15 PM
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Default Re: How bad is this call? (draws on the flop)

First flop call is thin but probably ok, the second is god awful imo. Action is strongly indicating the ace of hearts is in play, so your jack outs are no good, leaving only 8 outs for a flush draw that might not be good, and 2 more tens that might already be behind a set. I would fold when it comes back around with two villains all in.
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: How bad is this call? (draws on the flop)

The first call is fine, but with the amount of strength shown this is a definite fold. I basically agree with doppelganger's analysis after the two all ins. This should be an automatic fold.
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:22 PM
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Default Re: How bad is this call? (draws on the flop)

I think you should have called either time on the flop. I'd say either raise to $6 or fold, and then def fold to the ai. You've got a lot of outs, but all you have right now are low pair and two draws. I can't help but think with two players pushing they must be holding the Ah and Jh.
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: How bad is this call? (draws on the flop)

flop call is alright, the second one is more marginal.

You've got like 40% equity always against a two pair or better range, if you include pot odds, its a close call.
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:33 PM
doppelganger doppelganger is offline
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Default Re: How bad is this call? (draws on the flop)

[ QUOTE ]
flop call is alright, the second one is more marginal.

You've got like 40% equity always against a two pair or better range, if you include pot odds, its a close call.

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Not quite:

Board: Td Kh Qh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.749% 35.14% 00.61% 1774406 30783.33 { Th9h }
Hand 1: 32.125% 28.59% 03.54% 1443573 178620.33 { QQ+, AJs+, KQs, KTs, QTs, J9s, AJo+, KQo, KTo, QTo, J9o }
Hand 2: 32.125% 28.59% 03.54% 1443573 178620.33 { QQ+, AJs+, KQs, KTs, QTs, J9s, AJo+, KQo, KTo, QTo, J9o }


Stove indicates that we have 35% equity but look at the stack sizes and pot size. At the time of call the pot is $76.40 (the amount hero can win since BB covers us) and hero is calling $48.55, so he's getting 1.57:1. With 35% equity we need 1.86:1 to make a call profitable.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:18 PM
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Default Re: How bad is this call? (draws on the flop)

That range assumes both players are completely rational. I think you will be surprised at the variety of hands the shorty shows up with. Its either a $3.90 mistake or a $1.00 win, either way its not a huge mistake.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:56 PM
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Default Re: How bad is this call? (draws on the flop)

meh prob marginal
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