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Re: Likely standard flop spot in 3b 3way pot
im almost always the poster that says yah get it in, etc b/c i dont fold. but in this spot i think its a fold.
factors 150 bb deep very obvious we have an over pair (dont think hes going to bluff b/c i dont think he expects us to fold on an innocent board) his range is most likely small pairs from preflop action. |
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Re: Likely standard flop spot in 3b 3way pot
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im almost always the poster that says yah get it in, etc b/c i dont fold. but in this spot i think its a fold. factors 150 bb deep very obvious we have an over pair (dont think hes going to bluff b/c i dont think he expects us to fold on an innocent board) his range is most likely small pairs from preflop action. [/ QUOTE ] Ya, when I titled my post "likely standard" it referred to this being a fold, not a puah. |
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Re: Likely standard flop spot in 3b 3way pot
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[ QUOTE ] Get it in. Would you even consider folding KK here(I wouldn't)? JJ is very similar to KK here. [/ QUOTE ] Would you get it in with 99 here? 99 is very similar to JJ here. [/ QUOTE ] Probably not. TT/JJ are pretty likely hands for him to have with this line given pf and flop. Also, AJ/AT have an extra 12% equity vs 99. |
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Re: Likely standard flop spot in 3b 3way pot
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[ QUOTE ] Get it in. Would you even consider folding KK here(I wouldn't)? JJ is very similar to KK here. [/ QUOTE ] Would you get it in with 99 here? 99 is very similar to JJ here. [/ QUOTE ] Many call a raise with JJ/TT preflop. Obv KK>>>99. The differance between KK and JJ isn't insignificant either, because AsKs/AsQs/KsQs/QsJs/KsJs etc will probably make up for a decent part of his range. I'd say KK>JJ>>>99. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Get it in. Would you even consider folding KK here(I wouldn't)? JJ is very similar to KK here. [/ QUOTE ] Would you get it in with 99 here? 99 is very similar to JJ here. [/ QUOTE ] Many call a raise with JJ/TT preflop. Obv KK>>>99. The differance between KK and JJ isn't insignificant either, because AsKs/AsQs/KsQs/QsJs/KsJs will probably make up for a decent part of his range. I'd say KK>JJ>>>99. [/ QUOTE ] Agree. Maybe I came across a bit strong with saying JJ is very similar to KK, but there isn't a huge difference imo. |
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Re: Likely standard flop spot in 3b 3way pot
JJ is really, really close. I probably pitch it here without a read. I'm not sure I completely like that answer, though. I snap call (with moderate fist pump) KK. I insta-fold 99.
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Re: Likely standard flop spot in 3b 3way pot
well clearly the responses are very divided, which does mean that this is a pretty nasty spot, not at all a snap-anything.
lets consider if there are any other lines we might take where are course of action is not so fuzzy. how about a flop checkraise? |
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well clearly the responses are very divided, which does mean that this is a pretty nasty spot, not at all a snap-anything. lets consider if there are any other lines we might take where are course of action is not so fuzzy. how about a flop checkraise? [/ QUOTE ] Don't particularly like other lines. Check-through is pretty ugly. With JJ I think you just have to drive the action here. Regarding why I'm getting it in (apologies for not explaining) we have $100 left and $70 in the middle after our bet. Given that many people overplay their middle pairs in this type of spot, there's no way I'm leaving that money out there. If he's good/bad enough to play AA/KK this way, GG him. So this is typically 99-QQ with other garbage we beat thrown in, plus some sets that we lose to. That makes JJ a pretty easy shove to me. TT is when I would puke and probably fold. |
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Re: Likely standard flop spot in 3b 3way pot
villain is only raising:
1) hands that have you crushed - QQ+ (hes unknown so big pairs are very possible, and sets (he called a raise and then a reraise, so small pp's very likely) 2) combo draws that have greater equity than JJ (AsXs where X = 4/Q/K) 3) pp's 66-TT (very unlikely because people dont generally [censored] around in 3 bet pots, and especially not in multiway 3 bet pots, and ESPECIALLY not 150bb's the frequency of (1) + (2) >>> (3) pretty standard looking fold imo |
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i'd get it in. [/ QUOTE ] care to elaborate....i'm usually folding in spots like these. I'd like to hear a case for shoving.... |
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