25NL, playing KK, line check

helter skelter · #1 10-30-2007, 12:58 PM

Was only on the table one orbit when this hand came up, but had shown down AA my 1st hand that I got dealt in BB and had raised with. I had QQ the very next hand and pushed it preflop, but didnt' get called after flop. Although the player was relatively short stacked, I felt I also had to worry about the player behind me.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 ($19.25)
MP3 ($40.50)
CO ($32.50)
Button ($12.25)
SB ($24.25)
BB ($10.70)
UTG ($24)
Hero ($38.80)
MP1 ($15.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $4, MP2 calls $3, Button folds, BB calls $2.25.

Flop: ($13.10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $4.75, Hero folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: $13.10

CaptVimes · #2 10-30-2007, 01:28 PM

If you are going to make this kind of move with KK PF (I would rather see a raise this first time around), your reraise has to be something more than 4, BB is short and obviously likes his hand. I would go for about 5-6, try to drive out mp2, and call a shove.

Not really sure what you should be doing on the flop. Folding seems weak, but your behind here a ton. Pot I think is to big to fold.

RapidEvolution · #3 10-30-2007, 01:43 PM

I think Vimes is dead on here. I think something like 6 is better if you're going to limp/reraise. I think that also puts BB in a shove/fold mode given he has so little behind. I might even shove preflop, but I'm not entirely sure that's the best line. It looks like BB has less than 1/2 a PSB behind, but with MP2 left to act, I think this is a fold.

Altec · #4 10-30-2007, 02:10 PM

Hard to fold due to BB shortstack, however you are probably beat by AJ/AQ/AK.

CallMeJohn · #5 10-30-2007, 02:14 PM

Given recent hand history, i would prefer you b/3b preflop.

As played, LRR needs to be bigger and you should be happy to get it in PF against 2 smaller stacks.

Flop spot sucks. There is 14 in the pot and BB only has 7 to go. But with MP2 left to act, i think the fold is ok.

AlexB182 · #6 10-30-2007, 02:46 PM

Agree, if you get fancy with KK UTG+1 and get lucky enough to get a raise and a reraise, you have to put in a real raise. I'd even put in something like 8, hoping to fold out MP villain and let BB just push over the top of you with his last 2 bucks.
Against two opponents, I just fold to BBs flop bet, that's AK most of the time and MP is still to act after you...

helter skelter · #7 10-31-2007, 01:52 PM

It sounds like you guys are saying I just want to be heads-up with KK postflop, so I should raise out everyone but the shortstack. I guess my theory at the time I raised was not to drive everyone out, but to put in a value raise, and not raise too much in case an A hit the flop.

ActionStan · #8 10-31-2007, 08:38 PM

I think you want to raise at least the size of the pot, which would put you out closer to $7. With the little raise, you end up pricing everyone in once you get the first call. You really don't want to see the flop 4 ways. Given that the villain is short, you might want to just put him all in. You might get someone frisky behind you over shove to try to take it away. The short stack is never getting away from his hand now that he has 1/2 his stack in and the pot is a nice size. Put him all-in and be done with it.

crazymoose · #9 10-31-2007, 03:11 PM

Raise to $1 first time it gets to you. Failing that, raise to about $6-$7 the second time around. That has the better potential to get the pot heads up and allows you to call BB's all-in with impunity.