Street by street vs TerrorOfSweden, EPT Barcelona (Hand w/ masters?)

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I have missed a lot of the action so it's kind of hard to tell, but I would guess his cbet freq in this spot is pretty close to 100%.

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[ImNotSoGood]

The problem that everyone seems to be finding with B3Bing here is that he may flat the flop.

Here is the Thing: What would he flat you with that doesn't folded to a c/rai on the turn?

He seems decent so he surely will be raising sets, AA, AK.

He'll be flatting with floats, weaker kings maybe for pot control, and other marginal holdings.

If we lead and check to him on the turn, he's likely to bet with hands he flatted with, and we'll just c/rai and hes very likely to fold this range of hands.

[mikeJ]

OH well. I guess I shall just vote for bet/3bet on flop, though, unless he's really overaggro, he's just going to be folding a lot of the air he's would've bet if we checked and flatcalling w/ a lot of his 1 pair hands for pot control. Of course, if he was raising lots of air, this becomes the easiest bet/3bet ever.

But overbet c/r seems meh and a regular sized c/r leaves you in a crappy spot if you get called on flop. I kinda like c/c, but it sucks if he gets to showdown w/ like a small pp or bottom pair.

Idk, I think it's close between c/c and b/3bet.

[betgo]

I say checkraise. If he calls,

To everyone saying lead, or if you say check raise and he calls:

Turn is an offsuit Ace. Plan? Check with the plan the get allin.

Turn is a low diamond. Plan?Check with the plan the get allin.


Turn is a king. Plan? Push.

Turn is a blank. Plan? Push.

Turn is a T J or Q. Plan? Push.

I don't like a lead, but if I lead and he calls, I would usually check the turn regardless of whether I hit and play it from there. I might follow up bet if the turn card let me represent the same thing the flop bet did.

[Pudge714]

Ansky if you bet an he calls.
Check call an ace turn it's a really good bluff card for him.
Diamond turn is closer. If I was good at inducing stuff through live reads I would figure something out and bet. If you check I think I c/c.
King I would check call as I except his turn betting range to be mainly floats or kings.
Turn is a Jack check call. You can induce bluffs, but you probably can't bet call a shove.
TQ I crai you have lots of outs and lags never fold to donks.

[mastr]

i agree with everything betgo said in his above post

[NoahSD]

I like a lead on the flop for like 1100. I don't think it has much FE, but I think b/3-bet has a ton of FE. When he just flats, his range is going to include a lot of marginal hands, so I think 3-barreling has lots of FE.

Plan on turn when called is bet whiffs and check hits.

If turn's a diamond, he folds a lot of hands if we bet, and if he checks, it's not unreasonable to expect him to turn some of his smaller pairs into two barrel bluffs since it'll look like we have a better hand that's scared of turn.

If turn's an A, basically same thing.

If turn's a J, things are pretty awkward but betting seems bad.

If turn's really any other card I think betting has a lot of FE, espec with the plan to 3 barrel cause it's live and we're an unknown so that should get lots of respect.

The only thing that really worries me about this line is if he has smaller diamonds, calls flop and shoves turn because stacks are good for that. I kinda wanna be calling a turn shove on the turns I'm betting, but that seems a little extreme since it's reasonable for him to slowplay a biggish hand on the flop.

[LearnedfromTV]

I'm in the checkraise camp. I want to get as much money in as possible - he flat calls a lead (or folds) too often and can play well with mediocre pairs after flatcalling a lead (if I'm him with 87 I'd much rather have us lead than c-r).

The blank turn can often be awkward if we lead flop, but it isn't awkward when we checkraise; we shove and have a lot of equity if he calls. If he has a wide range and cbets near 100%, the majority of his hands on the flop are no pair, and the majority of the one-pair hands aren't strong enough to call a flop checkraise + turn shove.

I think a metagame argument can be made for shoving the turn whether we hit (A, J, or diamond) or not; but check(call) hits and shove misses is probably best in a vacuum.

[Crash0veride]

Betgo,
I normally like many of your posts but in this thread you've focused way to much on simplifying the hand and the play rather than maximizing profit / Ev.

[betgo]

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Betgo,
I normally like many of your posts but in this thread you've focused way to much on simplifying the hand and the play rather than maximizing profit / Ev.

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Usually if you play so as to avoid tricky situations for yourself and put pressure on your opponent, you maximize profit.