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Old 09-19-2007, 09:09 AM
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Default Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise

Bellagio 10/20, 9-Handed

Villian is basically unknown. Seems like the normal middle-age Bellagio 10/20 type. Relevant stacks are about 2300.

We did play a pot that I guess is somewhat relevant because neither one of us slowplayed. He bet the flop with a straight draw and I called with the same draw, we both hit the nuts on the turn and he led, I raised, he pushed, I called obv and chop chop.

Hero has J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in hijack.

Preflop
Hero opens to 80, BTN calls, SB calls, BB (villian) calls.

Flop (320): 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 240, BTN folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn (800): 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero checks quick.

River (800): 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero bets 440, BB raises to 1440, Hero...

Woah, where did that come from? I checked the turn because I felt a river bet was better than a turn bet for getting value, and now, wtf?

Getting about 2.7:1 on the call.
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:17 AM
Gomer_Pyle Gomer_Pyle is offline
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Default Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise

isnt river bet pretty thin? I'd either check behind or i call the checkraise. Your line looks pretty weak so he might be bluffing here especially with the history. Also i am fish dont take this seriously.
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:44 AM
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Default Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise

I think your check on the turn is fine, but you wouldn't be faced with this decision if you bet 2/3 of the pot on the turn. It's a really tough spot but I think you should fold.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise

wow this is an easy fold. river bet is standard.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:46 PM
tdoggtizzle tdoggtizzle is offline
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Default Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise

I fold. What does he call the flop with and bluff river? 56, 66-88 wouldnt turn their hand into a bluff. He could have taken this line with a gutter or 55 or mayyybe a slowplayed overpair. Plus given his description I don't think this guy will be c/r bluffing the river too often at all.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:53 PM
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Default Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise

fold and its not close.
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Old 09-20-2007, 05:42 PM
DJ Sensei DJ Sensei is offline
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Default Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise

dude dont check quick on the turn, thats giving up too much.

given that, i might call the river c/r, because he's not really representing anything except some sort of last-ditch effort bluff. does he expect you to bet the river most of the time, or is checkbehind normally your standard play in this spot with most of your range, including whiffed overs and weakish pairs?
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Old 09-20-2007, 05:52 PM
king_of_drafts king_of_drafts is offline
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Default Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise

I bet the turn, river is fold obv
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise

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does he expect you to bet the river most of the time, or is checkbehind normally your standard play in this spot with most of your range, including whiffed overs and weakish pairs?

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I would normally check but he doesn't know that.
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise

why did you bet so small on the river? it looks so weak that i think you have to call the CR.
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