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Old 11-16-2006, 05:35 PM
waffle waffle is offline
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Default Dealing w/ wide flop 3 betting ranges

Weak fish open limps UTG, a guy somewhere in between lagtag and lag isolates in CO, I call 67s in BB cause I'm sure fish isn't LRRing.

His isolation range is pretty wide, probably a bunch of pairs and any two cards >= T.

Flop is 788 with a hostile flush draw.

I check, Fish checks, LAGTAG bets, I raise, fish folds, LAGTAG 3bets.

His 3 betting range contains:

Overpairs and better fastplaying
Overcards w/ FD that plan to take a free card
Overcards w/o FD that 3bet flop and bet turn, chk river UI if I am passive (only sometimes).

I don't know how often he 3bets the flop w/ naked overcards, but I know he does it sometimes. I'd guess that he'd always do it if he has flush draw + overs.

So.. do I:

1.] Play passive and plan to showdown on a lot of boards [prob. folding to an A or a flush card]
2.] Cap and bet turn
3.] Call and donk non-flush turn

Do I have enough info to decide here, or do we need to more like: how often he 3bets naked overcards, how he plays the turn/riv if I am aggressive, etc.
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:54 PM
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Default Re: Dealing w/ wide flop 3 betting ranges

I H8 preflop.
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: Dealing w/ wide flop 3 betting ranges

<u>SUITED</u> and <u>CONNECTED</u> !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:56 PM
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lol
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Old 11-16-2006, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: Dealing w/ wide flop 3 betting ranges

I just calldown. I don't really like capping the flop because we put ourselves in a position where we have to bet the turn even if it's a bad card, and we have no idea what a turn raise means.

I also don't like donking the turn on a safe card as I don't think we can fold to a raise and am not sure we have the equity to put in 2 bets. You won't get too much more out of him by donking the turn when your hand is best anyway, but you will maximize your losses.
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Old 11-16-2006, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: Dealing w/ wide flop 3 betting ranges

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I H8 preflop.

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You realize he only has to call one in the bb right? Folding is really quite bad.

waffle,

I wouldn't cap the flop. I'd probably check the turn too. We're OOp so it kind of sucks that he might get a free card, but I don't want to pay 3bb to get to SD and I'm not folding.
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Old 11-16-2006, 08:00 PM
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Default Re: Dealing w/ wide flop 3 betting ranges

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I H8 preflop.

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You realize he only has to call one in the bb right?

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Lollercopters. I thought he was calling a 3bet. I saw the word 'isolate' and went from there.
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Old 11-16-2006, 11:41 PM
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Default Re: Dealing w/ wide flop 3 betting ranges

Thanks leader,

Anyone else want to share their ideas?
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Old 11-16-2006, 11:50 PM
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Default Re: Dealing w/ wide flop 3 betting ranges

Call down but get out if the board gets ugly. I was also going to comment on preflop because I thought it was 3-bet but then I read above post. If you donk turn you might have to fold to a raise, which could still be overs with a flush draw, so I just let this guy put money in the pot in case I'm ahead.
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Old 11-17-2006, 12:45 AM
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Default Re: Dealing w/ wide flop 3 betting ranges

call down after the 3-bet, possibly folding river to runner runner broadways on turn &amp; river.
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