Get your n00b out, uNL--Volume 2

[Quester]

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I think one of my biggest "leaks" would be tableselection. I play on FTP so Spadeeye or whatever is out of the question and SixthSense is just absurd for price, especially if you are a uNL or SSNL player (I moved to uNL to fix leaks).

What type of things are you doing when it comes to table selection? I am thinking about just using FTTO to open up 10-12 tables and joining/joining waiting list for the best looking tables.

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Personally I don't like sitting on waiting lists unless I know there is a huge fish on that table with a big stack.

I just sit at tables that are 4-5 handed, never on the left of a player I know is good. At NL50, I'm looking at the lobby stats for an average pot size of at least $5-6 with 38% players to the flop or higher, maybe around 70-80 hands per hour. Too many hands per hour means new table or some players are sitting out, too few means it may be a tough table and some TAG is controlling the game.

I know a few good players just sit at an empty table, since fishies don't like waiting either. They'll just sit down and donate. Good for HU practice as well.

I mark players that I know are TAG (or otherwise "good") with a red mark. I mark players that I know are loose (or otherwise "bad") with a green mark. Most green marks don't stay around long enough or play enough hands for me to see them often, but this at least lets me avoid the "good" players that are multi-tabling regulars. I'll sit at tables with 1 red mark if the rest are unknowns. I'll only sit at tables with 2 red marks if I can sit on the left of a green mark. I think this method of marking players is helpful, since I don't have to wait for my HUD or horrible memory to know if I should avoid them or not. I also use a few other colors if I have specific reads on someone or want to watch them for other purposes.

[meleader2]

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i feel dumb asking this, but [censored] it:

i have 9 outs with a flush draw on the flop. apparently with 9 outs i have 20% equity. y is it 1/4 to hit though? is that with 2 cards?

so if that's the case, by the turn, if i ahven't hit it yet i still ahve 9 outs, so it should be 1/5 to hit the river. correct?

also, by outs, can someone list off my equity %'s? also does it change per street?

2 cards to come:

6 outs = 12.5%
9 outs = 20%, etc


1 card to come: (?)

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Rule of 2 and 4:

2 cards to come - Your equity is your number of outs times 4. So 9 outs on the flop means you have about 9*4 = 36% equity in the pot (assuming you go to showdown).

1 card to come - Your equity is your number of outs times 2. So 9 outs on the turn gives you 9*2 = 18% to hit on the river.

You can use the 2 rule on the flop instead of the 4 rule if you think your reverse implied odds are high (e.g. your villain will bet big into you on the turn and you don't want to commit just yet).

You need to adjust your equity up slightly when you have a small number of outs, e.g. if you have 2 outs on the turn your equity isn't 2*2 = 4%, but probably more like 7-8% or so.

You also need to adjust down slightly if you have a large number of outs, e.g. you have 13 outs on the flop your equity isn't 13*4 = 52%, but more like 48-49%.

Of course, the difference between 52% and 49% isn't substantial, and the difference between 4% and 7% also isn't substantial. Using the 2 and 4 rule to estimate your equity is close enough in almost all real-world situations.

You have to remember to discount your outs based on your opponent's range, cards you suspect are no longer in play, and redraw possibilities for your opponent (e.g. you make a flush on a paired board, he has a chance of filling up).

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printed. thank you.

[Pokey]

Oh Great Gurus of the Micro Forums -- I, your humble servant, have a burning question to ask.

I play $x.xx/$x.xx online, but I'm planning a trip to Las Vegas. What stakes at a live table would be comparable to my usual game?

Would your answer change if the trip were to Atlantic City instead? How about if it were to a local tribal casino?

[meleader2]

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Oh Great Gurus of the Micro Forums -- I, your humble servant, have a burning question to ask.

I play $x.xx/$x.xx online, but I'm planning a trip to Las Vegas. What stakes at a live table would be comparable to my usual game?

Would your answer change if the trip were to Atlantic City instead? How about if it were to a local tribal casino?

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i think it depends on the structure of the game. when i went to vegas i played 1/3 at the wynn and felt comfortable, i played some 5/10 @ bellagio and felt out of place. at the local tribe casino i play 1/2 (not anymore) but its a 100max buyin with a mandatory 3$ rake (christ) and a 1$ drop for a BBJ.

real weak.

HOWEVER, the 5/10 there plays 2/5 with 10 to bring in so they can get in on the BBJ as well (white chips for the drop, therefore they wanted in, had to drop the blinds but 10$ to bring in still) very very lucrative as u can imagine.



so 50nl -> 1/3 @ wynn (u can buy in deep, no cap) can't help u about anywhere else though, that was my fav.

[Quester]

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Oh Great Gurus of the Micro Forums -- I, your humble servant, have a burning question to ask.

I play $x.xx/$x.xx online, but I'm planning a trip to Las Vegas. What stakes at a live table would be comparable to my usual game?

Would your answer change if the trip were to Atlantic City instead? How about if it were to a local tribal casino?

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I played 1/2 at the MGM a few months ago and it was softer than 0.01/0.02 online, take that FWIW. Quick word of advice, make your preflop raises bigger than 4x. I would raise to 5x UTG and get 6 callers. Pretty ridiculous. High variance live. I also played a little 2/5 which was only marginally tougher. Unfortunately I busted out with JJ on a KQJ board to AT, but what are you going to do.

[Chomp]

1. Which standard equity match-ups do you have consigned to memory?


2. How do you judge whether the dead money in a pot is enough to make up for any equity shortfall you have when faced with an ai decision? Is this at best a guesstimation at the table until you can review/Stove it later?


3. I open JQs in position, isolating a limper, flop Kxx, villain chks, I cb, villain calls, turn meh, villain checks again...in this spot, I repeatedly make a read of a weak made hand on dry boards (typically a small pp, or a crappy flopped 2nd pair).

So my question is, should I be trying to get AVERAGE villains to fold these hands, assuming I am telling a reasonable story myself? I HATE checking this behind and getting shown pocket 55 or whatever, but am never really sure if I should even be TRYING to get him to fold at some point. (And clearly, the answer is "it depends", but any general thoughts appreciated).

[Arcturus]

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When people talk about buddy lists (ie people they follow to a table to take their monies), do they use some inherent software feature of the site to automatically tell them where their buddies are? Or have a list in word say, and just use the normal search feature (seems time consuming)? Or perhaps there's some software to find people automatically to save time?

Thanks.

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LOL. I was going to post this, but wanted to make sure it wasn't addressed yet. I don't see a response though. I'm in interested in PokerStars.

[Logun]

I play on FTP and my table selection consists of only looking at the Plr/Flp average - am I doing myself a disservice by not looking into table selection software?

[Kukla]

Hero raise 4bb from MP, Villain(for example 20/15/2) 3bet from Btn to 12bb, we can't say exactly what his range, but we assume that it is above 66+,AJs+,KQs,AJo+,KQo. And we know that he is agressive postflop, so he may bet/3bet FD+overs e.t.c.

1.Can i call his 3bet with one of these hands:
a)J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
b)6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
c)2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
d)9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

2.How change our calling range if:
a)he 3bet us flat
b)we had position on him

[mojed]

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Hero raise 4bb from MP, Villain(for example 20/15/2) 3bet from Btn to 12bb, we can't say exactly what his range, but we assume that it is above 66+,AJs+,KQs,AJo+,KQo. And we know that he is agressive postflop, so he may bet/3bet FD+overs e.t.c.

1.Can i call his 3bet with one of these hands:
a)J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
b)6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
c)2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
d)9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

2.How change our calling range if:
a)he 3bet us flat
b)we had position on him

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Depends hugely on stack sizes.

Assuming 100BB stacks, I'm folding OOP all day long (all 4 hands) and cutting down the number of marginal hands I raise with in MP while the button has such a wide 3-bet range. Then I'm taking him to value town with AK, AQ and my high PPs.