10-20 vs argoe

[jaybizzle]

HH is from memory...Just want to check my line to make sure I did in fact botch every betting round

KQs $2k effective stacks. villain is redargoe, 4 handed

villain raised to 80, i call on button, blinds fold

flop Q46r, V bets 120, I raise small to 300 he calls
turn 2, check, check
river 8 no flushes, check, I bet $350 trying to squeeze out value, villain shoves...about $1300 back to me which is pot now.

[g0lfa]

im folding he has KK

[AcTiOnJaCsOn]

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im folding he has KK

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lol he doesnt have KK but knowing red he probably has something that has u beat. i like re raising preflop as well, but either is fine rkly

[hoyasaxa]

U dont 3 bet this in position?

[jaybizzle]

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U dont 3 bet this in position?

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I do a decent amount of the time...Like I said I botched every round of betting.

[rand]

good line by him

sadly i think were face up so...this is pretty player dependent
i know u said u botched it but, bet if i can raise the flop for value im prolly betting all the following streets for value too

anyway, guess a default is a fold here but he must know you have almost exactly KQ

[NMcNasty]

I really hate a 3 bet with just KQ against him.

Flop raise is pretty bad, its just giving him an opportunity to play perfectly against you. You can only get away with raising for value on a dry board like this if you've been bluffing a lot on the same boards. Even then ur getting urself into tricky spots, what if he min-raises or calls and leads turn?

As played, I like your turn check, after he calls his hand range is better than your KQ on average. Betting for value on this turn is terrible imo. With a dry board like this he can throw you rope with any hand that beats you.

After a river check I don't hate a slim value bet but its still close. Usually if he's putting you on AQ or worse you're going to see him leading here with AQ or better. Still, when he comes over the top you're beat. For calling to be ok you need a few of things to happen:
1. He thinks ur raising KQ on the flop and worse
2. He thinks you're betting KQ and worse on the river
3. He thinks you're folding KQ and worse on the river

Its just much more likely he's check/deciding with 88-QJ, and with a hand worse than that its usually a min-reraise or fold situation on the flop.

[todd1007]

he has 44....fold

[king_of_drafts]

fold, this is 57 or a set like always