Advanced S&G strategy? Or pure idiocy....

[yoshi86]

I like the fold if the blinds go up to 300/600 next hand.

[DuderinoAB]

I think the biggest problem in folding is that when you do you're going to finish ootm once in a while (obviously you still will if you shove here but much less). The equity gained by being itm > equity gained by being able to pound the blinds in almost any situation...

[Longy]

I agree with the above posts, if we were playing a high level sng where the 2 mid stacks are aware of ICM, then sure this maybe a good play.

Most of us don't have that luxury, I know at the party 22's unless the mid stacks are about two of the 10 players who have any idea about bubble play. Im getting called by rag aces and the lot. Then normally they will type something witty in the chat box, ok slightly off topic but god i hate retards who do that.

[chuckpalms04]

i like this situation much better when we've got a huge stack and we're going to continue to pound on the rest of the table because while everyone's short, they're all still fighting to be ITM so stealing blinds on the next orbit is that much easier and we'll be able to pick up 1400+ with little to no resistance since everyone's folding for their lives.

[chuckpalms04]

also, lol at some of the awful responses some of the people came up with.. i think raptor started a thread about this a few years ago right?

[StregaChess]

To summarize here we are folding AA preflop in order to keep someone in the hand, under the false assumption that we can bully and pwn the bubble? Ummm....
NO...That's just stupid here..

(FYI, next time list the hand like this)

player 2 - 3,300
player 3 - 3,400
Gee_Man - 6,000
player 4 - 800

Just take player 4 out and use your stack to crush the two remaining players.

Had this been the situation
Gee_Man - 6,000
player 2 - 3,300
player 3 - 3,400
player 4 - 800

I would raise to 800 hoping to trap, otherwise shove.

This whole concept is based on two players rolling over and dying, if that's the case it really does not matter much what you do. As played if the NITs wake up with a decent hand you'll double them up and be sorry that shorty is still around. Results mean nothing, even if it worked out this time.. I can't see this as being a +EV

[Collin Moshman]

Hi Guys,

I think the most relevant point here is DevinLake's:

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Finally, he is to your immediate left. So, you will have to shove through him every time you steal. So, you're steals won't be as affective. Also, if the shorty calls you, the other stacks can profitable call ur any two card shoves very wide.

I'd like this a lot more if he was to your right.

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If you know the two moderate stacks will correctly lay down almost ATC to your steals, then this play has merit. Not necessarily correct, but an interesting and analytic approach to exploiting bubble play. But the extreme short stack being directly to your left ruins the golden stealing opportunities you would otherwise have over the other two players, so I would definitely make the conventional play here and put your chips in with the A A.

Best Regards,
Collin

[jedi]

From the thread.

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Oh, and please go post this on 2p2... not only will you get fun responses, but maybe even some MS Paint! Theories like this deserve more exposure than wptfan.


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Well, let's get to it!

[dreamcircus]

This has got to be the most stupid play of all time.... so let me put this in another way.... the "Hero" is himself SO SCARED of getting out that he is folding AA IN THE HOPE that the other 2 players cooperate(which he didn't know they would) and get the low stack out!?!? LMAO

There is NO JUSTIFICATION EVER to fold AA, not against 1 player, 2, 3, or full table, unless everyone's all in and it's free for all then you can fold it since odds don't justify.

Against 1 player who has tiny stack and you want to fold AA? LMAO

[sonneti]

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This has got to be the most stupid play of all time.... so let me put this in another way.... the "Hero" is himself SO SCARED of getting out that he is folding AA IN THE HOPE that the other 2 players cooperate(which he didn't know they would) and get the low stack out!?!? LMAO

There is NO JUSTIFICATION EVER to fold AA, not against 1 player, 2, 3, or full table, unless everyone's all in and it's free for all then you can fold it since odds don't justify.

Against 1 player who has tiny stack and you want to fold AA? LMAO

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Ummm you've missed the point... or this is some dumb trolling level.