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Old 10-24-2006, 06:31 PM
z32fanatic z32fanatic is offline
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Default River a flush but get checkraised

I'm new to NL cash, just curious if there is really any value in shoving here. He caught me bluffing about 30 min before on this same table when I had raised his completion. I'm pretty sure I'm ahead on the river, but I don't think he even has anything he could call with. If a straight had gotten there then I would gladly shove as I could put him on something he could call with. Villain is Bobkill.

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SB ($537.05)
Hero ($504)
UTG ($425.30)
MP ($400)
CO ($400)
Button ($612)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $4.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($12) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $25</font>, CO folds, SB calls $17.

Turn: ($62) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($62) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $176</font>, Hero......
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:36 PM
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Default Re: River a flush but get checkraised

Shoving here is pretty bad, villian almost always has a flush. Just call.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: River a flush but get checkraised

Easy push imo. You hit your back door flush draw.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: River a flush but get checkraised

I really think he is leading a flush here on river, like ^ said its backdoor push.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:59 PM
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Default Re: River a flush but get checkraised

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Shoving here is pretty bad, villian almost always has a flush. Just call.

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If this is true which it is not it still is a shove.
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Old 10-24-2006, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: River a flush but get checkraised

pretty standard push imo because either one of 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]/6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]/8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] are all too possible. way more likely he has one of these hands than 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] where x=a/k.
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Old 10-24-2006, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: River a flush but get checkraised

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Shoving here is pretty bad, villian almost always has a flush. Just call.

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Why would villian call a reraise flop with a backdoor flush draw
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Old 10-24-2006, 07:39 PM
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Default Re: River a flush but get checkraised

Ye shove it, it's more likely he got a lower flush then the two higher ones.. and it's always hard for him to lay down a flush no matter what - if it's a good looking board like this one.
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Old 10-24-2006, 07:51 PM
Albert Moulton Albert Moulton is offline
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Default Re: River a flush but get checkraised

I'd call. I think villain is bluffing, or has 2-pair, like Q9, or has a flush. If he has a flush, it is quite possibly higher than yours.

If he has any kind of non-flush hand, then he probably folds if you push. Lower flushes might call or might fold - if they're really low. All higher flushes call.

So, I think calling is best. You get no more from the non-flush hands. You save your stack vs higher flushes. You only give up potential money from Tc8c and lower flushes. His big check raise is representing a big flush, so call and see if it really is a big flush or not.
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Old 10-24-2006, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: River a flush but get checkraised

3-bet. Overpair improved to a rivered set maybe?
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