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#72
10-04-2007, 12:00 PM
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Re: Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
I've got another 100K hands at these levels that show the same thing. I don't think the winrate numbers are viable, but the player sample size is large enough to spot the obvious trends. At the end of the day the winners raising 8-12% of their hands are raising the same amount a solid 18/12 TAG is... they just don't hammer speculative hands until post-flop streets when it matters. The other thing to consider is almost most pots are raised and we still get 3-4 callers. Re-raising middle and spec hands is tough especially against call stations and chasers.
One way to think of it is letting the largest number of fish stay in the hand and compound their errors until later streets. It certainly isn't the easiest way to play as you are often in marginal spots. I don't doubt for a second the stronger players here could play over 50% VPIP from later positions and crush this game. I'm no 'baller' and I can do it. So where are all the graphs showing that Jerry is wrong? How bout a couple 200K hand charts with 20/12 stats and a winrate above 30BB/100. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Personally I think optimal LAG ends up around 30/20 and that takes some serious skill when higher. The edge is so much smaller on later streets against stronger players. But it is extremely profitable to open your game WAY UP down at the nanos if you can play post-flop. No screenshot = You convincing yourself your right. Screenshot = Poker is rigged obv 
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#74
10-04-2007, 12:50 PM
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Re: Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
lolol jerry leveling?? that screenshot proves nothin!!! lololol so funny you cant even realize this...im done.
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#75
10-04-2007, 12:53 PM
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Re: Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
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ok here is a screen shot. all these hands were 6 max i have no idea why my pt doesn't save them as 6max though. just look at that and you'll see that most of the people who are winning are doing it without raising pf.  [/ QUOTE ] Errr... this screenshot is biased by yourself LOL. i said LIST BY AMMOUNT and display the sidebar too infact. Hiding the sidebar clearly shows your full of BS. Dude, quit poker.
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#76
10-04-2007, 12:53 PM
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Re: Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
Jerry if its working for you then work it. I just find at nl25 and nl 50 the numbers are different.
Is it at 10nl there are so many LPP players that people may not try to raise with anything but premium hands because FE does not really exist at this level? I am really surprised by that PT screenshot but I guess at 10nl you have so many people playing without a solid strategy that maybe it can be marginally +ev to limp more than at hiigher levels. I still contend it is bad advice to give someone that is struggling or a beginner because you need to be really good at post flop play in order to make your way profitable and at this level I bet not many are skilled enough at post flop play to make this style profitable.
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#78
10-04-2007, 01:44 PM
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Re: Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
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Errr... this screenshot is biased by yourself LOL. i said LIST BY AMMOUNT and display the sidebar too infact. Hiding the sidebar clearly shows your full of BS. Dude, quit poker. [/ QUOTE ] why does covering up the names change anything???????
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#80
10-04-2007, 01:57 PM
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Re: Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
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Dude, 7.75 PTBB/100 at 10NL is pretty lol. [/ QUOTE ] bs....i'd love to see someone do better over that many hands...
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