Play a Hand With the Masters #3 Flop B

[nsj]

I call and raise the turn.
Tough to put him on a hand, but my guess is he's trying to bluff c/r a c-bet that likely missed this flop, or he has some sort of combo hand -- SCs 45 - TJ with a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], two heart overs, or a pp 22-44, 66, 88.

If villain fires on a blank turn, which I think is anything T-A no heart, or a 5 or 7, I'm raising the pot. If he checks a blank turn, I'm firing for about 500, and if the turn is a scare, I'm reacting to his action.

[Bullet_Dodger]

1) I am re-raising him here, t500 more to t800. The reason for this hand is because, once again, its hard for him to put me on such a hand, and this could get him to commit with a hand like A9o. The biggest reason is because I want to simplify things after the flop. I dont want to have to worry about dodging cards If I flat call. I dont want to play any guessing games. By re-raising here, I am commiting myself, but I am also commiting him just about to calling off the rest of my chips. If I flat call here, and the turn is an awful card, I might have to release the hand when my hand might be good at that point. (due mainly to being out of position) I am also comfortable taking the pot at this point.

2) Too wide to even attempt to say. He could have a set, a straight, two hearts, an under pair, overcards, TPTK, TPWK, middle pair. We could go on and on. I think the most likley hand he could have is top pair with a decent kicker, or a draw.
3) Yes, sticking my money in on the turn.

[mariachiinc]

1) I raise here... he can't put you on much as you may just be trying to steal the pot, so he may just be testing you. If he actually has a hand, it's likely either an overpair (which is good 4 us) The only hand to be worried about is a set... in which case he's going to reraise and we've got a huge decision to make.

[kingwood kid]

These are the scariets 160 chips ever, eh? Safe to say villain has something he likes, as obviously 160 more won't chase us out. In putting him on a range, I think we more heavily weight something he would've called 3BB with OOP, such as A9 or 9-10. He could have 6h8h, I suppose, but it's unlikely.

Since it's hard to put him on something with any confidence, I think our play is determined by how we read ourself. If we think we're a very good player, call to keep it small and minimize variance. If we see ourself as an underdog, then variance is our friend, so we push, maybe even shove.

[grandgnu]

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1) Do you fold, call, or raise (and why)? If you raise, to what amount? Putting aside a fold for the time being, there are certainly merits to both calling and raising so please spend some time on your thought process here.

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Calling is our best option. We maintain position on our opponent on future streets. In addition, if our opponent does have our hand currently beat, we're going to get called or pushed against if we raise.

I wish our opponent had raised us more here. His raise could mean any number of the following:

1. I don't have anything, but I don't think this flop hit you either, let's see if I can steal it from you.

2. I hit a piece of this flop (perhaps top pair, perhaps a pair and straight or flush draw, etc.) Do you have an overpair?

3. I flopped the straight and I'm trying to induce you to overplay an overpair or get upset at my small raise and come back over the top of me.

4. I flopped a flush draw and pair and I'm willing to go to the felt with it, but I'm also hoping my small raise will slow you down on future streets and allow me to catch up if I'm behind.

5. I hit my set and I'm hoping you overplay an overpair or flush draw.

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2) His range of possible hands is obviously pretty huge but if you care to speculate feel free?

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A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

He could also have 5/5 or 7/7, although much less likely given our cards.

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3) If you call or raise and he calls, do you have a plan for future streets?

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Luckily we'll have position on future streets, forcing our opponent to make the first move. Depending on what cards fall, we can proceed from there. There's such a wide range of hands our opponent could potentially have here though, that we should proceed with caution and not get overzealous with our hand.

It's unlikely that he puts us on two pair at this point, so our hand is well disguised. But, what is he putting us on? Is he trying to steal from us, does he believe we missed the flop, etc. This is going to prove reasonably difficult and interesting.

[Roman]

I flat call and play a turn, you cant reraise here and fold to a push cause he will push a good draw here quite often and he will also raise a made hand both better and occasionally worse than yours.

I really think flat calling is the only viable option, you also get the added benefit of winning the pot versus a better hand often times when the turn is 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or whatnot.

[KneeCo]

without going into too great detail (because I covered this in my post in the previous thread), I say Hero should re-raise here for two reasons:
1) His hand is so well disguised here due to the pf action that the villain can easily be on any number of inferior hands
2) The high possibility of running into a scare card on the turn.

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I flat call and play a turn, you cant reraise here and fold to a push cause he will push a good draw here quite often and he will also raise a made hand both better and occasionally worse than yours.

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I don't understand. Are you saying you can't raise because more often than not that will lead to a situation where you are all in with the best hand?

[mlagoo]

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without going into too great detail (because I covered this in my post in the previous thread), I say Hero should re-raise here for two reasons:
1) His hand is so well disguised here due to the pf action that the villain can easily be on any number of inferior hands
2) The high possibility of running into a scare card on the turn.

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I flat call and play a turn, you cant reraise here and fold to a push cause he will push a good draw here quite often and he will also raise a made hand both better and occasionally worse than yours.

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I don't understand. Are you saying you can't raise because more often than not that will lead to a situation where you are all in with the best hand?

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i think the idea is that you are letting villian get away from worse hands that are drawing thin, you are letting him take control with worse hands with strong draws, and you are letting him get allin with you when he has a better hand.

[KneeCo]

Right. But my question is why is it assumed that Hero would fold to a push. I don't think we can assume that the villain is mini raising here with a set or straight, not on such a draw happy board.

[Roman]

so u 3bet and call a push? thats terrible with stacks this deep.