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Old 10-06-2007, 11:08 AM
willperkins willperkins is offline
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Default 10/1 Final Table with KK How is my line?

Full Tilt 10/1

117 players started
pays 18

Five players left at final table

Chip stacks are estimates but very close to real totals:


UTG (34000)
MP (31000)
B (43000)
SB (37000)
BB Hero (30000)

Blinds 1000/2000 250 ante
t4250 dead money in pot

Hero: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG: raises t4000
MP: folds
B: folds
SB: calls t3000
Hero:calls t2000

Pot: t13250

Preflop: UTG would raise with range of AK-A8, KQ, KJs, QJs or AA-77.

SB is getting about 3 to 1 to call and he would call with just about any two cards.

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero: Bets t10000

UTG: Shoves
SB: Shoves
Hero:Calls

How is my line?

Knowing that one or both would call you anyway, would you have shoved preflop?
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Old 10-06-2007, 11:19 AM
kimos123 kimos123 is offline
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Default Re: 10/1 Final Table with KK How is my line?

yes i would shove preflop. or atleast 3b preflop
as played a call looks good to me. SB might have called with JT AT UTG with QQ ?

you can also just fold (conservative way) and watch one of them knokout and go up the ladder in money
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Old 10-06-2007, 12:20 PM
r987r r987r is offline
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Default Re: 10/1 Final Table with KK How is my line?

how could you not push this or 3 bet preflop?
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Old 10-06-2007, 12:32 PM
DarrenX DarrenX is offline
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Default Re: 10/1 Final Table with KK How is my line?

This is a must raise (12K raise, push any flop, or push preflop). As played, flop is a call.
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Old 10-06-2007, 12:43 PM
Dunkman Dunkman is offline
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Default Re: 10/1 Final Table with KK How is my line?

I agree on the PF 3bet, and I'd just shove. As played, I'd bet less on the flop to try and give the illusion of FE for someone who decided they want to shove. Obviously call as played, since you have grossly underrepresented your hand.
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: 10/1 Final Table with KK How is my line?

i shove preflop here anytime - they might set you on a squeeze with a medium hand and call. there is already 11k in the pot preflop, and i wouldn't mind winning it preflop.

postflop is good
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Old 10-06-2007, 02:58 PM
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Default Re: 10/1 Final Table with KK How is my line?

OP, what is your line on the flop when an ace flops. are you folding to UTGs bet?

if the answer is yes, you should have shoved preflop.

if the answer is no, you should have shoved preflop.

if the answer is it depends, you should have shoved preflop.

at the very least, you should have popped this to 12-14k and shoved all flops instantly. i just shove this because $10 final tables are bad and will put you on a steal.

the call on the flop is obviously fine. your hand strength is well hidden adn the other two are expecting yuo to insta fold.
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