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pvn,

So long as you continue to think that I support the status quo, or oppose personal liberty and the right to self-determination and self-reliance, I've decided it's not worth the frustration of trying to discuss anything with you. This will be the last post of yours that I respond to.

Have a nice day/week/month/year/however long it takes.

[pvn]

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pvn,

So long as you continue to think that I support the status quo,

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I don't think you do. But you run and hide behind it a lot.

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or oppose personal liberty and the right to self-determination and self-reliance,

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You certainly have made it difficult to believe otherwise. All you do is whine and bitch about "practical complications" of such (ignoring that these practical complications are not restricted to such voluntary interactions) or the "philosophical underpinnings" of leaving other people alone.

You've said that wanting "no government whatsoever" = "fantasyland utopia" and you've denied being a fantasyland utopian, so you must logically then support government. Now, that in and of itself doesn't mean you oppose personal liberty, but as soon as you decide that other people should also be subjected to your government, no matter how limited (and you do suggest this with your repeated cries of "move if you don't like it") then you ARE opposing personal liberty.

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Have a nice day/week/month/year/however long it takes.

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Just let me know whenever you're ready to stop with the doubletalk.

[AlexM]

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You've said that wanting "no government whatsoever" = "fantasyland utopia" and you've denied being a fantasyland utopian, so you must logically then support government.

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No, this is not a logical conclusion. Believing that government is inevitable and working to make that inevitability the best you can doesn't mean you support it in the slightest.

[pvn]

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You've said that wanting "no government whatsoever" = "fantasyland utopia" and you've denied being a fantasyland utopian, so you must logically then support government.

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No, this is not a logical conclusion. Believing that government is inevitable and working to make that inevitability the best you can doesn't mean you support it in the slightest.

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If wanting no government = fantasyland utopian, and A is not a fantasyland utopian, then A does NOT want no government, therefore he wants government, which is a lot different than merely believing that it is inevitable.