100NL: flop top set, turn spot

[DeezNutz]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $156.75
BB: $325.40
UTG: $101.85
MP: $110.75
CO: $22.00
Hero (BTN): $187.45

Reads: <font color="blue">villain is 25/17/2.5 after ~100 hands.
seems like a bad player (e.g. called 3-bet OOP w/ A2s)</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt J J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $1.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.50</font>, SB folds, BB calls $3.50, CO folds

Flop: ($10.50) 4 J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8.00</font>, BB calls $8.00

Turn: ($26.50) Q (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero...

Pot Size: $26.50

what's your plan here and for club/non-club rivers?

[Fiksdal]

Well we know he doesn't have AK given his preflop flat call. I don't think he has TT because that should probably 3bet pre too, and I don't think 44 flat calls your flop bet on this extremely drawy board. He could have the clubs though. He has been seen to call preflop raises with marginal cards OOP, and two clubs are certainly in is range-

So I check behind here. I might call a bet on a blank river, it depends. If the board pairs though, and he leads, I am gonna shove all-in no matter how much of an overbet. Villain is donkish, and there i no way he folds a flush here ever. If villain checks to us again on a blank river I typically make medium sized value bet but fold to a CR.

[whizzle]

check behind and call the river. Ur hand get's really transparant by checking here. on the other hand u could bet here and be forced to lay down your set. hmmm though spot.

i think against this oponent a check is ok but sometimes i'm betting here for value. There are still a lot of top and 2 pairish hands u beat.

[Shizzle12345]

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check behind and call the river. Ur hand get's really transparant by checking here.

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why does your hand get transparant? It could be a cbet? Unless your fgators and only betting the nuts your hand is not transparant here. If i play it like this i can have a pretty wide range of holdings.

I dont like betting it folds out alot of worse hands and gets better hands to shove.. If you check you might also induce a river bluff, or you might hit a boat for cheap and he might shove into your boat..

[scallop]

Would the villain wait untill the turn to c/r 2 pair or a set?

If not, then surely betting turn defines the hand pretty well. If he would c/r then I still prefr betting to checking. You dont wanna give loadsa free cards to KQ's/random clubs/AJ ????

[Shizzle12345]

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Would the villain wait untill the turn to c/r 2 pair or a set?

If not, then surely betting turn defines the hand pretty well. If he would c/r then I still prefr betting to checking. You dont wanna give loadsa free cards to KQ's/random clubs/AJ ????

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If you show weakness he might try to make a think valuebet with those hands right? I dont see hwo they will call a turn and river bet with those hands.

[scallop]

you dont think someone calls a turn bet w KQ?

[Shizzle12345]

i think your probably right, but i dont always bet the turn here still. I guess it depends on villains and how aggressive you played here too.

[cobalt]

Don't we want a big pot for our big hand?
Seems to be an unpopular choice, but I would almost always bet this turn to get as much as possible money in when only called and we hit a safe river (board pairing). Remember that in NL100, people do like their nutflushes more than their stacks and are also eager to slowplay them. We even have a read of him being a bad player who likes to play suited aces OOP. (Do I have a faulty logic here, as I'm betting against a better hand only for the implied odds? Well, his range here is wide.)

How about getting AcTx (or Ac+rag) to pay the for his/her draw, or possibly even a 89 to fold?

We also have a 3rd nut fd, does it matter? Maybe he hit his combo draw (8c9c) and might be willing to call it down.

And what I would do when my $22ish turnbet gets raised? Is pushing a spew? Does he always have the flush? (Aka no fold equity.)

[Fiksdal]

we might be giving free cards by checking the turn, but we are also recieving a free card to 10 outs if villain has a flush. A lot of bad players would play the turn exactly like this (going for a CR) if they just hit their club flush