Dealer calls time on player

[Quadstriker]

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But the fact of the matter is, it is NOT THE DEALER's job to call time (at least as far as I know, and I haven't seen anything on here to counter that).

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Might want to do a little research then before declaring things to be a fact. I can verify that at my local room at least, calling time on a player is part of the dealer's duties should they see fit.

[Ol Dirty Bastard]

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the second the hand is over, i'm asking the floor for the dealer to be fired.

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Hahahaha, what gives you the idea that any casino would fire a dealer because you say so? The floor people I know would tell you that you have to leave.

[youtalkfunny]

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i finally looked over at him and said, "dude what the [censored] are you doing, you have 10 high, this isn't the [censored] world series, go play blackjack with your twenty bucks."

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I so thoroughly enjoyed that. I wish I had seen it in person.

[RR]

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this forum is so full of nits. thank god a dealer is actually interested in moving a game along and being proactive. the dealer is in the best position to call time since

1) his basic duties include controlling and regulating the game
2) he is unlike the other players

i completely agree with microbob. i hate sitting and watching WPT wannabes "agonize" over retarded decisions for longer than 15 seconds.

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The floor should actively be on the floor watching the games. He won't see everytime that someone acts like an idiot, but he will see it if it happens on a regular basis. The dealer should not be calling a clock on a player because the dealer (in non-low limit games)is often the person at the table that is least familiar with the rules and procedures. I can remember being called to the table because hte dealer told a well known player in a $1k buy-in event "you have 30 seconds." This dealer was decent, but she had never been around "real" poker. The same dealer (I don't rmemeber if it was the same event or a different event) told annother well known player that she was the dealer when he tried to explain the correct procedure for handling antes. These situations come up a lot more often with temp dealers than regular dealers, but onc you get out of the smallest games the palyers know better than the dealer (quite often anyway) what is goign on at the table.

[Suigin406]

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Props to the dealer for keeping a speedy game.

There are many times I have wanted to call a clock on a player, but haven't to avoid dissention at the table. I would prefer a standard clock on a player to be standard (i.e. 1-2 minutes tops), but since it isn't, a dealer getting involved is more then fine with me. Wish all dealers would.

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I'm not sure at all about the rules and whether or not it is acceptable. However, the dealer is responsible for keeping the game flowing at a good pace and I think he should be responsible for these kinds of things. I mean, a lot of players, myself included, do not like to call for the clock on someone when they have to make a tough decision. Dealer should take care of these kinds of situations.

[jjshabado]

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But the fact of the matter is, it is NOT THE DEALER's job to call time (at least as far as I know, and I haven't seen anything on here to counter that).

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Might want to do a little research then before declaring things to be a fact. I can verify that at my local room at least, calling time on a player is part of the dealer's duties should they see fit.

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Where's your local card room?

[MicroBob]

If it were REALLY up to me I could find probably 4-5 times (or more) per hour where I feel a clock should/could be called because it's just a stall-act.

I'm not in favor of being super-unpopular though. So I just let the hand unfold and observe (perhaps trying to figure out what kind of idiotic holding could be delaying his decision so much), or catch a baseball score on TV, or chat with the guy next to me and HOPE that the guy makes his decision before XMas.


Not wanting to call clock EVERY freaking time there is a delay like that is hardly an issue about growing some balls or not.
It's about table-image and not wanting to be seen as a prick.

[jjshabado]

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Not wanting to call clock EVERY freaking time there is a delay like that is hardly an issue about growing some balls or not.
It's about table-image and not wanting to be seen as a prick.

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Fine, there's your decision. Now live with it. Its not the dealer's job (at least in the majority of casinos) to bail you out of tough decisions.

Sometimes I get a run of good cards and I'll end up checking when a raise is a bit better because I can tell the table is getting pissed off at me. Not the good kind of pissed off, the bad kind where everybody is starting to play better against you. Should I talk to the dealer ahead of time and say "If I really want to raise I'm going to wink at you, then you can make me raise. I'll pretend I don't want it, but I really do". It gets what I want and I don't have to live with the consequences.

[PhatPots]

I don't think the dealer is out of line. I agree with some of the other posters, that say sometimes ppl don't want to call time, because they don't want to butt heads with ppl. 2 minutes is more than enough time


I was playing in a 1/2 NL game where some guy was talking in a monologue and slowing down the action. Another player asked him to speed it up and a lot of 4 letter words followed. The floor had to be called to settle the players down.

[jurassicdig]

instructing dealers to actively a take role in keeping the games running smoothly -- THUMBS UP

giving dealers the option to call the clock on a player -- THUMBS DOWN

It's a bad idea.

Dealers calling the clock crosses the line, for the potential to influence action is too great. Dealers should remain apart from the action as much as possible, especially since any single hand may warrant such deliberation on its own merits.

Nor can we be results-oriented and allow the bettor's preference (call/fold) to judge whether calling the clock was justifiable. In addition, there will be almost no uniformity over the standard amount of time a player will be afforded. The knowledge, attitude, and aptitude of dealers can widely vary.

Dealers can call the floor if a player routinely takes unreasonably long amounts of time to act. In those cases, it will have been better established that the player is a hinderance to the game, and it is much less likely to affect the action of any prior hands.

That said, dealers are not usually at the table long enough to make such judgements. And, again, since any given hand might actually warrant going into the tank, the players themselves ought to shoulder the responsibility of keeping others in line.

I guess what I am trying to say is that there should be no problem as long as players try to do what's good for the game. As for myself, it would take a lot of crap to get me to call the floor. YMMV