one more pf. qq for azk

[Victor]

eff stacks 530

56/7 limps. 36/15 raises to 27 on button. i make it 90 with qq from the bb. limper calls !?!?!?! and now button pushes?????

[DeathDonkey]

I don't fold this one but I think I fold jacks.

-DeathDonkey

[Grunch]

Getting almost 2:1 right now possibly more if the limper comes. If there's any possibility that the pusher could be pushing thin, call.

[Victor]

so ya, i still contend that life is a lot easier when i just call with qq pf.

[Josh.]

youre definitely going through some bad luck. i never get into sick spots like these, let alone several at once

[Grunch]

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so ya, i still contend that life is a lot easier when i just call with qq pf.

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You're being results-oriented.

[AZK]

if this is the only thing that happens then something isn't right. What are you running at pt wise?

[Victor]

im around 24/18. i dont 3bet all that much tho. ive been using the range you provided in my earlier thread when in the blinds, tho a bit tighter yet.

as far as results ive gotten it in pf with normal stacks 4 times the last couple days and worst ive seen is qq. i play on ub so the games may be markedly different than stars or ftp.

[Grunch]

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eff stacks 530

56/7 limps. 36/15 raises to 27 on button. i make it 90 with qq from the bb. limper calls !?!?!?! and now button pushes?????

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Revisiting this one.

The 56/7 could have any 2 pieces of cheese, and if you call will probably call with lots of pocket pairs and hands like AJ. You're way ahead of his range.

The button's range is probably much tighter, but even if he's squeaky tight it's probably no tighter than AA-KK/AK. Against that range, QQ is a 2:3 dog.

But when he pushes the pot becomes (260+90+90+90)=530, and it's 260 for you to call. So you're getting about 2:1 on a 2:3 shot, so that's why you have to call. The possibility that the UTG fish will come with 77 makes it just that much more important for you to call.

[Grunch]

Just to be unambigious, let's do a little math.

The correct decision here, or any time in poker, is the decision with the highest EV. Folding has an EV of zero by definition. So if calling is +EV, you have to call.

Assuming we are a 2:3 dog and are getting 260:530, and that the fishy limper will fold, the EV of calling is:

EV = (chance to win * $ won) - (chance to lose * $ lost)
= (0.40 * 530) - (0.60 * 260)
= 212 - 156
= +56