Vanessa's bustout hand

[KneeCo]

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I really don't mind preflop with pot odds in the BB.

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Not the way she was playing. She was constantly calling in the BB, and then C/F or C/R the flop, that's sloppy card dictated poker that has a ton of flaws.

The fact that she C/R KT on this flop 100% of the time, and even a retarded at the table has picked up on that already is just another reason her slowplay sucks so bad here.

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I just want to reiterate for those saying that they don't mind the flop that given her line versus her usual of C/R or folding, villain, even a dumb aggro villain, is checking behind on the turn with a draw 100% of the time.

[ASPoker8]

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I think preflop is really bad, especially given that she will and does play so poorly OOP postflop.

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thats my stance

[JMSlick]

Preflop is only bad when she plays all the other streets as she did. Preflop is fine if she check raises after the flop and / or bets the turn.

We should be discussing how we would have played it, not warping our thinking with how she actually did play it.

[betgo]

I think as played on flop and turn is OK with some table dynamics versus an aggressive villain. If she was generally check/folding or checkraising, then check/calling and calling the turn is slightly suspicious and a checkraise is much better.

[Pudge714]

Preflop isn't terrible for some people, but against a good opponent, when you suck, it is terrible.
I don't mind c/c flop but that turn I would lead since half the deck is a bad river card and it sets up a good river shove.

[TheNewf]

preflop seems really bad without some specific plan. If villian plays well I can't imagine this is ever good, and is obv terrible for her. The flop is obv risky but fine against an aggro opponent, you should probably be checkraising more often but this is probably fine based on history/metagame stuff. Turn is then also fine. River is probably a bet/fold but it's obviously not as easy a fold to make in the actual moment as it seems in theory.

[betgo]

I would rarely fold this hand in the BB to this size raise preflop. She is getting 3-1 pot odds and villain is probably raising 90% of his hands. This hand doesn't do well against a random hand allin, but it is a reasonably good hand to play. Despite the results, you don't usually get into trouble with it. It is not likely to be dominated.

She definately had a skill disadvantage against villain, which is one reason not to play. Also, with the tournament situation, she wants void to bust out first. Void is playing very tight, due to chip situation and because he knows Ka$ino is aggressive and LadyMaverick is over her head. You don't want to get run over by the big stack, but it is probably best to avoid marginal situation like this, and try to let Void bust first.

Postflop, she had the read that Kasino was aggressive and was trying to trap. Her play is not as bad as it looks when you consider the read, and don't know the results. However, she did not play well.

[willie]

quick question for the c/c and lead turn camp.

if you lead the turn and get called, what is the plan for the river?- doesn't leading the turn for a decent sized bet essentially commit you to the pot?


ie, if she leads 2,000,000 into 3.5 on the turn and gets called (i believe kasino would have called since he picked up a nice combo) the pot swells to 7.5 and she has ~4.5 behind when the river peels. what's the plan at that point?

[zizazziza]

i missed the FT and im not really sure about how aggressive kasino is, but what about 1/4-1/2 psb lead on the flop and let him raise you. If he decides to call, you can either go for c/r or lead again on turn.
As played:
Before i answer on turn, has the guy been double barreling often or anything like that? How aggressive this guy is post-flop really decides this. I like leading turn if I do not know if the person will continue. If it seems likely that the guy will bet again on turn then I think its fine. The real question on turn is: what are you calling with on flop that he can 2nd barrel against that we are not calling?

[overthaline]

i think aggressive calls on all streets is optimal