JJ - Multiple Callers - Thoughts on All Streets Please

[Chicos75]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($25)
BB ($4.25)
UTG ($9.75)
UTG+1 ($28.40)
MP1 ($24.40)
MP2 ($63.65)
Hero ($24.30)
CO ($55.80)
Button ($30)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.75, UTG+1 calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($4.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $2</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $6.35

[zman2245]

Raise more PF - typically 4xBB + 1BB per limper. Maybe even more if you are at a loose table.

With 4 players I am probably just giving it up post-flop.
With 3 players a cbet is fine on flop usually.

[reecelights]

Raise to $1.50 or $1.75 preflop.

Lead the flop for 2/3 pot.

Check/fold the turn if you are called on the flop.

[CanSpoilU]

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Raise to $1.50 or $1.75 preflop.

Lead the flop for 2/3 pot.

Check/fold the turn if you are called on the flop.

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[selector2006]

The others already said to raise more preflop.

I would like to comment on that, because I have the feeling a lot of people are afraid to raise more preflop.

They think this for at least two reasons I believe:

They are afraid to loose more money when an A, K or Q comes on the flop. Simple example: If you raise to $1 preflop, make a c-bet of $1.5 on the flop and get raised, you give up and only loose $2.5.
When you raise to $1.75, make a c-bet of $2.75 and get raised you loose $4.5. So it is better to raise small preflop, even if there are multiple limpers?

No, not in my opinion. This is why I think that (playing 25NL):
Your c-bet will pick up the pot in most cases if you're against 1 or 2 opponents. So you're loosing more when your c-bet gets called, but you're also winning more when your c-bet gets folded to.


The second reason people are afraid to make a bigger raise than normal is because the think everyone will fold to it.
So what?
If there are 3 limpers and you raise to 8BB than maybe you will pick up the pot directly. You win 7,5BB. That's way more than you win on average with JJ. I win 2BB on average with JJ (952 times).
So, if I pick up the pot everytime preflop with JJ and win the big blind + 2 limpers I will be very happy.

Ok, to finalize:
Raise more to thin out the field. You want to play the flop heads-up or to 2 opponents max.
Raise more to pick up the pot preflop. You'll win much more than your average winrate with most hands.

[CalledDownLight]

This looks fine to me.