Stud H/L (HORSE tourney)???

[The B]

not sure about my raise on 5th street and bet on 7th street...help me with my stud H/L game


Tournament - 7 Card Stud High-Low (600/1,200), Ante 100, Bring-In 200 (converter)

Seat 2: 15,335
Seat 3: 8,494
Hero: 7,406
Seat 5: 14,009
Seat 6: 3,658
Seat 7: 1,341
Seat 8: 8,404

3rd Street - (1.17 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (4.17 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___folds

5th Street - (3.08 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises

6th Street - (7.08 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

River - (9.08 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___calls
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

Total pot: (11.08 BB - 13,300)

Results (in white):<font color="white">

Total pot 13,300 | Rake 0

Note: this site shuffles the hole cards.

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[Noir_Desir]

I think 5th street is fine. The bet on 7th is obviously pointless, he puts you on aced+low and never folds two pair.

But wtf are you doing on 3rd street with this hand?

[The B]

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But wtf are you doing on 3rd street with this hand?

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I was last to act (w/ Ace showing) with the bring-in and flat-call w/7 showing in front of me...

[Noir_Desir]

Yes, but you are risking quite a big percentage of your stack with a pretty crappy hand hoping to get the 7 to fold later in the hand if he bricks, meanwhile the bringin can come along too.
I would complete this hand 1st in to try and steal the antes, but not after a limper.

[Zagga]

fold 3rd, fold 4th, call 5th, check-call 6th and river

[The B]

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call 5th

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????????????

[betgo]

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But wtf are you doing on 3rd street with this hand?

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I was last to act (w/ Ace showing) with the bring-in and flat-call w/7 showing in front of me...

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Typical donkament player. Ace door card is the nuts. You know the 7 is calling the complete and would have completed without an ace to act. Why get involved with a junk hand hoping to catch something or intimidate everyone to fold with your door card? It is not going to be easy to get the 7 to fold, and you often put in a lot of bets with nothing. If it was folded to you, then OK to try to steal with the ace.

[The B]

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If it was folded to you, then OK to try to steal with the ace.

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it was folded to me w/ the door7 limping and the bring in's dead money in the pot...watch who the [censored] you call a donkament player kid

[RustyBrooks]

What was your bet on 3rd intended to accomplish?
* Did you expect the limper and the bringin to both fold, winning the pot outright? (a real problem with stud/8 is that the bringin isn't as likely to have a crap hand that he must fold here as he is in stud hi or razz)
* Do you think you have the best hand here, or a hand that is likely to be good for the full pot?
* Are you hoping to induce a fold on 4th or 5th when you catch well?

I'm interested in what your plan on 3rd is, because it will affect the way this hand plays out, greatly. Personally, I think betting 3rd is a semi-bluff at best.

[betgo]

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If it was folded to you, then OK to try to steal with the ace.

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it was folded to me w/ the door7 limping and the bring in's dead money in the pot...watch who the [censored] you call a donkament player kid

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I am not a kid and I am primarily a NLHE donkament player myself. Was being funny and making a point. Didn't mean to insult you.

The 7 limped because he expected a raise from the ace. It is not much of a sign of weakness. He isn't folding 3rd. It's possible you can steal the pot later if he bricks his low draw or whatever, but the 7 almost certainly has a better hand than you do.