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[ QUOTE ] Why can't he be bluffing here if he's the best 5/10 reg and tough postflop? [/ QUOTE ] why would he bluff if we pretty much never fold our hand. everyone in this thread and their mom and their dog thinks its a snap call i would imagine that villain assumed this would be a snapcall by OP too [/ QUOTE ] good thing he can't see our holecards |
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good thing he can't see our holecards [/ QUOTE ] our river bet is so obviously for value. |
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[ QUOTE ] good thing he can't see our holecards [/ QUOTE ] our river bet is so obviously for value. [/ QUOTE ] his range on river is super polarized dawg |
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he is definitely the best regular, he's amazing at 3-betting me with QTo and flopping two pair lmao
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his range on river is super polarized dawg [/ QUOTE ] i agree, and so rarely a bluff |
#26
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Your hand looks like nuts/air. I don't think he has 22/66/QJ very often here and he could certainly have AQ or KQ. I could see a bluff, too, given that you don't rate to have a Q very often in this spot. You're getting 2:1 and are gonna be chopping a lot of the time and winning some of the time. I can't see folding here. [/ QUOTE ] The chop is kind of important but him shoving AQ there is still kind of thin considering all I could call him with there that HE beats is QK. And I just don't see him floating a flop c/r then checking the turn just to set up a crazy river shove. If he is bluffing, I'm 90% sure it's with 77-TT, in which case he would be putting me on Jx that check-raised, hit some showdown value on the turn, and decided to play pot control then go for thin river value...but that's pretty implausible. [ QUOTE ] Why can't he be bluffing here if he's the best 5/10 reg and tough postflop? [/ QUOTE ] That's kind of a cheap shot. I don't think he would both put me on a queen AND expect me to fold it...even the BEST 5/10 players aren't psychic. All in all, sure, I beat him sometimes and split sometimes but I think we disagree on how frequent those are going to occur. |
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I definitely agree with this never being KQ, and given the way this hand played out, I would say it's a bad push with AQ as well; that's not saying he isn't doing it, but if he is as good as you guys seem to think he is, then he shouldn't be pushing AQ here.
I actually like this fold, I can't see him have a flush here very often at all (actually whether he instapushed or not on river might a little bit of a tell of this, this also depending on how fast you bet..I think a small flush would at least think a little bit before pushing here, especially if you bet really fast on river, whereas a FH prob just pushes without much thinking), I guess the suggested 34hh/45hh is possible though, but him checking a set behind on turn given the flop texture isn't all that strange at all, it's a good play. I think QJ is way more likely to bet turn than a set, FWIW. |
#28
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I like the fold.
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[ QUOTE ] his range on river is super polarized dawg [/ QUOTE ] i agree, and so rarely a bluff [/ QUOTE ] if heros range is v polarized then so is villains. villain doesnt show up w/ KQ ever i dont think. its JJ or more likely a flush that being said, i cant imagine folding, hehe i shold clarify: bc heros range is polarized as nuts/bluff then villain is not turning any made hands into bluffs (eg AA etc) he would simply call or fold. so when he shoves, changing my opinion now... back to the flop. he is rarely calling the flop w/ complete air. the air that he does call the flop with and could possibly bluff the river with, likely made a flush and is now shoving the river. even w/ hands as strong as KQ(or even a chop like AQ) I think is still flatcalling this river as are most of his other made hands. furthermore, as others have stated, he is a good player who knows that players do not fold trips and is most likely smart enough not to try and bluff someone off of them. i think he shows up w/ JJ here still the most often, followed by hearts and then possibly QJ/66/22 |
#30
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Your hand looks like nuts/air. I don't think he has 22/66/QJ very often here and he could certainly have AQ or KQ. I could see a bluff, too, given that you don't rate to have a Q very often in this spot. You're getting 2:1 and are gonna be chopping a lot of the time and winning some of the time. I can't see folding here. Why can't he be bluffing here if he's the best 5/10 reg and tough postflop? [/ QUOTE ] While I agree with most of what you have said, AQ here is pretty far from both nuts AND air, and I personally don't think it looks anything like either. If you're going to fold here though, I like a check/call much better. "Either nuts or air" is the new "I put you on AK" |
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