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Old 10-13-2007, 09:28 PM
pdoran10 pdoran10 is offline
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Default 2/4 Aces in a good spot, I make good spot worse.

Villain in this hand is a pretty tight TAG something along the lines of 18/15, villain should view me as similar and I have no history with him. I am thinking best value line with no history here is generally going to be calling flop, checking turn. betting or calling a river bet, but then the river brings a bad card. was my plan fine, and does anyone like a different one?

In hindsight i think 4 betting pre or shoving flop might have been good, but I give villain credit for being able to get away from the hand if i do those.

any thoughts?


Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $50.10
BTN: $746.95
SB: $487.10
BB: $400.90
Hero (UTG): $505
MP: $397.75

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $56</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $40

Flop: ($116) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $74</font>, Hero calls $74

Turn: ($264) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($264) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $357.10 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds

Results: $264 Pot ($3 Rake)
SB mucked and WON $261 (+$131 NET)
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Old 10-13-2007, 09:30 PM
Terrabon98 Terrabon98 is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Aces in a good spot, I make good spot worse.

Yeah I don't get why you didn't 4 bet or raise flop...

but I think a fold on the river is good
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Old 10-13-2007, 09:30 PM
FireStorm FireStorm is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Aces in a good spot, I make good spot worse.

You're right. 4-bet preflop, and raise the flop.
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Old 10-13-2007, 09:42 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Aces in a good spot, I make good spot worse.

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You're right. 4-bet preflop, and raise the flop.

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I don't mind calling preflop. 18/15 won't stack off light at all vs an UTG raise/4-bet. Rarely with worse than KK ime. It kinda depends of hero's image though, but generally I think calling preflop is fine. That said raise the flop.

River is a no-brainer fold.
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Old 10-13-2007, 10:43 PM
Praetor Praetor is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Aces in a good spot, I make good spot worse.

i think the hand is fine
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Old 10-14-2007, 12:43 AM
Tooty816 Tooty816 is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Aces in a good spot, I make good spot worse.

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You're right. 4-bet preflop, and raise the flop.

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I don't mind calling preflop. 18/15 won't stack off light at all vs an UTG raise/4-bet. Rarely with worse than KK ime. It kinda depends of hero's image though, but generally I think calling preflop is fine. That said raise the flop.

River is a no-brainer fold.

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Old 10-14-2007, 01:31 AM
AAismyfriend AAismyfriend is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Aces in a good spot, I make good spot worse.

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i think the hand is fine

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Old 10-14-2007, 01:37 AM
Renton Renton is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Aces in a good spot, I make good spot worse.

i think calling pre is pretty much standard here

raising flop is ok, calling is ok too imo. I think the only serious mistake in this hand is the turn check.

As an aside, if villain can instafold AK and QQ pre to a fourbet here, and if villain can instafold KK and AQ to a flop raise here, then you seriously need to up the aggression in your game man.
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Old 10-14-2007, 01:56 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 Aces in a good spot, I make good spot worse.

why are people saying raise the flop? you really think villain stacks off here with AQ? call&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;raise.
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Old 10-14-2007, 02:07 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 Aces in a good spot, I make good spot worse.

Without much history, I shove preflop. An 18/15's going to have a very tight range to reraise here. He may also not not stack off with a bare QQ overpair postflop. On the other hand, you get called by QQ/AK preflop soooo often.

If you're not in the mood for the eccentric then the hand looks fine.
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