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Old 04-13-2007, 02:05 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default bottom 2 pair, unraised and draw-heavy pot

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($799.75)
BB ($479.50)
UTG ($400)
MP ($185)
CO ($99.90)
Button ($628.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($12) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $36</font>, Hero calls $24.

Turn: ($84) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $48</font>, hero?

villain is pretty new to the table.
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Old 04-13-2007, 02:07 AM
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Default Re: bottom 2 pair, unraised and draw-heavy pot

Fold the flop.
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Old 04-13-2007, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: bottom 2 pair, unraised and draw-heavy pot

c/r'ing this turn looks spewy (and has reverse implied, lots of tough river spot if you get called).
I'd just call and reeval river.

I would have found a turn lead pretty sexy though.
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Old 04-13-2007, 02:26 AM
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Default Re: bottom 2 pair, unraised and draw-heavy pot

i think turn is a fold, i would only fold flop against a good and rather tight player though...continuing with this hand oop really sucks imo
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Old 04-13-2007, 03:31 AM
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Default Re: bottom 2 pair, unraised and draw-heavy pot

I just put him in. Unknown + buying in short generally means bad and thats about as good a turn card as you're gonna get.
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Old 04-13-2007, 03:50 AM
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Default Re: bottom 2 pair, unraised and draw-heavy pot

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Fold the flop.

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joke?
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Old 04-13-2007, 04:03 AM
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Default Re: bottom 2 pair, unraised and draw-heavy pot

Given the stack sizes I think you have to push the turn.
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Old 04-13-2007, 04:04 AM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: bottom 2 pair, unraised and draw-heavy pot

EV shove, now.

Bet/calling or open shoving the turn would have been acceptable answers as well.

Flop call to see if a safe turn falls seems pretty standard here.
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Old 04-13-2007, 04:05 AM
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Default Re: bottom 2 pair, unraised and draw-heavy pot

re-raise flop vs half stack
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Old 04-13-2007, 04:06 AM
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Default Re: bottom 2 pair, unraised and draw-heavy pot

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EV shove, now.

Bet/calling or open shoving the turn would have been acceptable answers as well.

Flop call to see if a safe turn falls seems pretty standard here.

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I don't think it's pretty standard if we are checking the turn and are oop
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