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Old 12-01-2007, 08:46 PM
ectomorfo ectomorfo is offline
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Default QQ on the button, just calling pos flop

I think I played this hand very well. What you think?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($65.20)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($21.70)</font>
UTG ($9.70)
MP ($26.50)
CO ($35.85)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($68.20)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25.

Flop: ($5.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3</font>, Hero calls $3, SB folds.

Turn: ($11.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $5</font>, Hero calls $5.

River: ($21.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10.

Final Pot: $41.25

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 6s Ad (flush, ace high).
Hero has Qd Qh (flush, king high).
Outcome: BB wins $41.25. </font>
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop

This is fine IMO.
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:59 PM
CyberMuppet CyberMuppet is offline
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Default Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop

For me this depends a lot on what type of player Villain is. If he can fire three barrels with middle pair or worse I *might* play it like this, but otherwise I think your line is too passive.

I'd raise a tad more pf, probably to $2.

I always raise this flop on an unknown here, trying to get him to fold a weak king and making flush draws pay. Calling I have no idea where I stand.

When the flush hits on turn I would probably fold/raise something like 80/20, unless he bluffs a lot or plays like crap.

As played I definately call river.

Just my thoughts.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:01 PM
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Default Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop

I wouldn't raise the flop, because SB is still left to act, you're sort of in the squeeze.

Given the size of the pot on the turn and that weak bet, I think a shove is good. I think his hand is either a draw or a weak king on the turn, both of which won't like a shove on the turn given the way you played your hand. Both are put to a tough decision(calling AI without the odds for the flush) or calling AI with a king on a 3 flush board, so you give your opponent many opportunities to make mistakes relative to your cards.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:13 PM
Harry Fong Harry Fong is offline
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Default Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop

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I think I played this hand very well.

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Good sir you are kindly mistaken.

If you were going to take this one down you needed to raise the flop. Or maybe float the flop and raise the turn. It all depends on your read/feel/courage. If called though feel free to lay it down at any stage.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:20 PM
Harry Fong Harry Fong is offline
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Default Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop

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This is fine IMO.

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How so Lego?

OP called a bet against 2 opponents with second pair. My understanding is that QQ is a nice hand preflop, however, its value depreciates quickly post flop with a A or K showing and multiple opponents.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:22 PM
Micro Donk Micro Donk is offline
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Default Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop

why would you raise at any point postflop? it sturning your hand into a bluff
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:36 PM
Harry Fong Harry Fong is offline
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Default Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop

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why would you raise at any point postflop? it sturning your hand into a bluff

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A raise on the flop would not only show strength but give an indication of your opponents range. For these reasons is this play considered a bluff? For me in that position post flop I would fold it.

I was just suggesting that if OP wanted to take it down then IMO calling was not correct and a raise would have greater value.


Any thoughts ???
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:42 PM
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Default Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop

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why would you raise at any point postflop? it sturning your hand into a bluff

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A raise on the flop would not only show strength but give an indication of your opponents range. For these reasons is this play considered a bluff? For me in that position post flop I would fold it.

I was just suggesting that if OP wanted to take it down then IMO calling was not correct and a raise would have greater value.


Any thoughts ???

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tell me what you think is calling a raise.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:42 PM
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Default Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop

calling seems passive but is orite. catching the bluff was working up until the unlucky 4th D
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