Sniper - reborn?

[Dids]

I'm not even bothering to read what Sniper has posted. His pervious actions are enough to suggest that he has no business being a mod. I'm surprised this conversation is still happening.

[MEbenhoe]

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I'm growing weary. Sniper, you need to take a [censored] vacation.

I mean a real vacation away from the forums altogether. This is not reality. This is the [censored] locker at the end of Men in Black 2.

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You spent a week attention whoring over the fact that you're no longer green and then come back with this? Seriously you need to give this crap a rest and just go back to enjoying being a regular poster.

Honestly the best thing you could do right now would be to post in here something along the lines of "You guys are right, I do need a break, so I'm gonna stop worrying about this stuff and go back to enjoying posting on 2+2"

[Gildwulf]

This just seems sad, like an ex-gf trying to get back together even though you both know it isn't going to work.

I think Sniper should respect the decisions made by the mod team and by Mat and Ryan and take a break.

It's way way way too soon imo to even think about this kind of stuff. Sniper has had like a week, not even.

[daryn]

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This just seems sad, like an ex-gf trying to get back together even though you both know it isn't going to work.

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wow...

i couldn't quite put my finger on it but YES! you nailed it exactly.

[matrix]

a fresh perspective:

I am a new mod - so I have missed out on all of the "Modwars" back story - tbh I can't be arsed to go read up on it.

I accepted modship cos I think I can improve the forum I mod - I don't have enough information on 2p2 mods yet to form a valid opinion on who's posts I should listen to and which mods I can safely ignore - right now all that concerns me as far as modding goes is trying to up the signal quality in uNL and trim out some of the noise.

From looking at the Sniper thing with a fresh face - seriously Sniper go take a break.

Get away from 2p2 completely for a while - come back in a week or three and talk things through then.

The general consensus of opinion amongst mods - seems to me to be "Sniper is an awful mod"

I don't know enough yet about modding to decide whether or not that is the case - but when a large group of your peers says to you "you are bad at this" - would it not maybe be a good thing to listen??

This whole thread seems to me to be Class A flouncing. You are being a drama queen it appears to me for the sake of being a drama queen.

I don't know what you get out of modding - I don't know what motivates you to want to get reinstated.

If I were in your shoes I think I'd accept what has happened - take some time out and think about what I wanted out of my involvement with 2p2 in the future - and then work towards that goal again whilst remaining a standard poster for the forseeable future.

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[Gildwulf]

please, ffs do we really need another 150 response thread about Sniper..there are already at least 3.

This is basically like when Mat told Sniper to ban degen and Sniper said "we have to talk on the phone about this" and dragged out what was a simple order for days. More unnecessary drama and just further proof that people aren't respecting what the Reds say as final when that is exactly what they should be doing.

[4_2_it]

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please, ffs do we really need another 150 response thread about Sniper..there are already at least 3.

This is basically like when Mat told Sniper to ban degen and Sniper said "we have to talk on the phone about this" and dragged out what was a simple order for days. More unnecessary drama and just further proof that people aren't respecting what the Reds say as final when that is exactly what they should be doing.

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But this is the only drama we have at the moment. Starting a porn thread to take attention away from here might be the only solution.

FWIW, sniper, I suggest you review the case of young nick b. and apply it to your situation.

[JaredL]

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The frequently quoted statement I made to ElD is taken out of context. It was merely an attempt to frame my AIM conversation with him, in a way that was above the then current controversy. If my comments now, display growth from my comments then, maybe that's a good sign...

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GSWSnipershot: You around Diablo?

ulydiablo: I'm away right now.
ulydiablo: yes

GSWSnipershot: I think its time we figure out where we have common ground
GSWSnipershot: The best solution from Mat's perspective, is if there some way that the two of us can work out our differences

ulydiablo: huh?
ulydiablo: dude i am not involved
ulydiablo: i dont give a [censored] about any of this

GSWSnipershot: Diablo... the witch hunt is not going anywhere
GSWSnipershot: thats not what Im talking about

ulydiablo: witch hunt wtf are you talking about?
ulydiablo: i have zero involveement
ulydiablo: in anything db is implying

GSWSnipershot: Back up
GSWSnipershot: Try this...
GSWSnipershot: No matter what is said in that thread.. I will not be demoded...
GSWSnipershot: I do not want to talk to you about that thread

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So the context we were missing out on was el Diablo saying he wasn't interested in the mod forum thread? Given the context, it's actually WORSE than the quote out of context. At least before there was the vague possibility that el diablo had asked "so sniper, what do you think the chances are that you'll be demodded?"

You making the out of context argument makes it pretty clear that nothing has changed. The only difference is that now you are more desperate.

[EMc]

sniper,

The comment:

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GSWSnipershot: No matter what is said in that thread.. I will not be demoded...

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Didn't need the context TBH, and is just as bad as it was made out to be. This comment personally annoyed me and I'm sure a lot of the other silent majority mods. I dont post here a ton but I do read every thread in here, and usually my opinion is expressed better by someone that is smarter than me.

In this case, why would you want to stay in an environment where you are neither liked nor respected. If you truly want the forums you modded to succeed you will realize being re-greened in here if anything is actually counter-productive.

Would I be against re-modding you someday? No. I think that might even be a good idea sometime in the future. But right now, its a terrible idea. You should just accept the result and move on for a few.

[*TT*]

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That said, I am interested in broad mod opinion on how to best proceed from here. I will put up one of the proposals for discussion in my next post, and follow up with some of the thoughts I have conveyed to others over the last few days as soon as I can edit them for appropriateness to post here. It should also be known that I have asked Ryan to reconsider his decision and full reinstate me as Mod of my 3 forums, so I can demonstrate that I have heard what you guys have been saying and intend to modify my behavior in the Mod forum based on your comments.

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I have been in the no-opinion/abstain position because my concern was with the good of the forum, and for Chuck. I also wanted to give Sniper a chance to pleed his case, even though I expected him to hang himself with his own noose.

I was right. Sniper isn't reborn, he is stillborn. And therefore I change my position to de-mod. With a catch.

I would like to see the following:

1) Sniper be removed from the mod forums, and not permitted to moderate any forum in the future.

2) We havent seen Chuck weigh in on this issue. If Chuck wants Sniper to continue as temporary admin on the UB7 upgrade then thats fine as long as he promises not to vigilante-moderate. If Chuck has to give Sniper admin powers on the current forum to help implement the change then thats fine too. But Sniper should no longer have access to the mod forum for reading or posting, there is nothing for him here now. Once the UB7 upgrade is complete Sniper should of course have his temp admin status removed.

3) The topic of Sniper should be dropped ASAP so we can all get back to our real focus of supporting 2+2 and improving our poker games. Can you guys imagine what this has done to poor Mat last week? How this must have kept him preoccupied instead of working on things that really need his focus? Lets move on as quickly as possible. I want to be done with this.

Side note for Sniper: posting the El D conversation like that was really out of line IMHO, your goal of making El D also look bad backfired.

comments?