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Old 11-27-2007, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: ***Official 2007-2008 MLB Offseason Thread***

trading morneau for kotchman straight up would be a pretty big win for the twins. factoring in age and defense (kotchman is sick defensively) i don't think there's too big a difference between the two going forward, and kotchman is cheaper and under control for more years
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:07 PM
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It is easily addressed: trade Dunn.

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That's trading over 30% of your offense when it's at best unproven Bruce can replace it and Hamilton can hold up for an entire season.

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You know very little about baseball if you think trading Dunn is bad.

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Can you make a point instead of just being dismissive and insulting to someone who might disagree with your non-point?
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:08 PM
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The point is so obvious that it doesn't need re-stating. I don't like stating the obvious.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:11 PM
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Okay, maybe I'm as stupid as you say, but would you just make the [censored] point already.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:13 PM
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I believe what Vyse is tired of saying is that Dunn is a terrible defensive OF. While he generates lots of runs with his walks and HR, he costs the Reds runs with his D. Is that about right Vyse?
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:18 PM
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I believe what Vyse is tired of saying is that Dunn is a terrible defensive OF. While he generates lots of runs with his walks and HR, he costs the Reds runs with his D. Is that about right Vyse?

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Even with those adjustments, and they are huge, he's terrible on defense, he's still the second most valuable player on the Reds and a top 5 overall LF in the majors. Maybe I'm wrong and he's just as terrible at 1B, but I think he'd be more valuable there.

EDIT: He's the 3rd most valuable Red, 2nd if were only talking position players.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:18 PM
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pretty much. sloth nailed it. ty.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:28 PM
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I believe what Vyse is tired of saying is that Dunn is a terrible defensive OF. While he generates lots of runs with his walks and HR, he costs the Reds runs with his D. Is that about right Vyse?

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Even with those adjustments, and they are huge, he's terrible on defense, he's still the second most valuable player on the Reds and a top 5 overall LF in the majors. Maybe I'm wrong and he's just as terrible at 1B, but I think he'd be more valuable there.

EDIT: He's the 3rd most valuable Red, 2nd if were only talking position players.

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Top 5 LF? LF's I would rather have than Adam Dunn:

Manny Ramirez
Hideki Matsui
Carl Crawford
Alfonso Soriano
Carlos Lee
Matt Holliday

No way he's moving to 1B, Votto is going to be there for the next 6 years. That he's the 2nd most valuable Red's everyday player says a lot about the Reds; Good luck, Dusty-still hoping you DIAGF.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:31 PM
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votto might not even be there this year lollerskates
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:34 PM
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Melky + Hughes >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t; Johan

For the Yankees, this may actually be reasonable with their need for wins >90. But still terrible IMO. This is sheer idiocy otherwise.
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