Stars New Rakeback Values for $100NL and $200NL Full Ring

[Sandviper23]

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These are the numbers I come up with when looking at the cash bonuses only. The $285 Gold bonus costs 25K FPPs, the $650 Platinum bonus costs 50K FPPs, and the $1500 Supernova bonus costs 100K FPPs.




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How come $1 NL has a high rakeback than $2 NL?

[freecard4all]

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How come $1 NL has a high rakeback than $2 NL?

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because the best option for rakeback is NL50. The VPP are gained only for $8 (1VPP) an $60 pots (2VPP). NL50 goes above $8 on average but they don't go much (thus low rake; high VPP).

The rest is variance. The NL50 there seems to be too low (the NL200 also but I don't have enough numbers for that level).

NL50 and NL100 and NL200 all averages between $8-$60 pots so an average pot of these 3 levels gains 1VPP (+ 1 point for $60 pot each).

Also look at the numbers they are pretty the same:
14.58
14.88
14.14

Just variance.

[gameplay]

too confusing and the most are wrong here. plz post your total pokertracker rake from your hands on the levels 50-100-200-400 and the number of hands, and the number of totals Vpps you got and i will find out and post the exact percentages.
limit: total rake,total hands, total Vpps ,these we need

[AA Suited]

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These are the numbers I come up with when looking at the cash bonuses only. The $285 Gold bonus costs 25K FPPs, the $650 Platinum bonus costs 50K FPPs, and the $1500 Supernova bonus costs 100K FPPs.




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woah.. full ring .50/1 > 6max .50/1?

thought the extra VPP bonus at $2 pots for 6max made it better?

THX for showing me the light

<------- SnG player who is getting nailed by the Doomswitch at the moment.. -25 buy-ins in 3 days

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wait... if both .50/1 full ring and 6max earn about the same vpp rate, then how is rakeback less for 6max?!

[tautomer]

For pots with $0.40 rake you are paying 0.4/(6 players) = 6.7 cents in rake on average for the first VPP in 6max games. Full ring pays 4.4 cents on average for the first VPP (0.4/9 players). The second VPP comes out equivalent for both: $2/6 players and $3/9 players. Basically, 6max pays more rake for each point and so the 'rakeback' is a bit lower. In the end it is probably equivalent if you look at time spent playing since 6 max can get more hands in.

I'm pretty sure I did the math correctly for my table. I used MGR, not total rake. And half of the levels have a tiny sample size so probably take the numbers with a grain of salt if you want to draw some conclusion. For me the numbers are exact, everyone else will get slightly different numbers. Or drastically different if you only play the wild tables, super tight tables, whatever.

Oh and I'm normally a full ring nit so maybe my 6max numbers are lower for that reason as well. Probably had smaller pots while I was there.

[freecard4all]

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too confusing and the most are wrong here. plz post your total ...

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do you play at PS? There's no direct way how to calculate it. You get 1 point for 40c rake and 2 points for 3$ rake taken.

You have to sum up the # of hands with more than 40c and 3$. I'll do it next time I compare my results across the sites.
For now you have to believe me: the NL50 FR is the best level for rakeback at Pokerstars. Or gather your own numbers.

[freecard4all]

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.50/1 full ring and 6max earn about the same vpp rate, then how is rakeback less for 6max?!

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the best situation: FR (9 people) and rake taken 40c (1VPP) = 1 VPP costs you 4.4 cents.
the worst situation: SH (6 people) and rake taken $1.95 (1VPP) = 1 VPP costs you 32.5 cents

See the difference? One rakes $44 to get 1000 VPPS and the other rakes $325 to get 1000 VPPS!




As of the 1VPP for 6max - if you rake consistently at $2 it's better. But you are usually below or you reach the $3 rake. At $3 rake you get 2 VPPs no matter where you play.

edit: it's better only for rakeback counted by rake (% you get back).
For rakeback counted by hands (rakeback per hand) it seems to be about the same (very lightly better for 6max because of the hands with rake taken between $2-$3).
for rakeback counted by hours (rakeback per hour) the 6max is obviously better (but you obviously pay more rake per hour at 6max also)

[BigPoppa]

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wait... if both .50/1 full ring and 6max earn about the same vpp rate, then how is rakeback less for 6max?!

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6max players pay a lot more rake per person, and get about the same number of VPPs. So the percentage of rake refunded through the VIP program is lower.

[gameplay]

of course there is a way to calculate i dont play cash but if i know how many vpps you get for 1000hands and how many rake have you paid for these hands(which you can see it from pokertracker) then i can calculate exaclty what is the %rakeback you get.

[tautomer]

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of course there is a way to calculate i dont play cash but if i know how many vpps you get for 1000hands and how many rake have you paid for these hands(which you can see it from pokertracker) then i can calculate exaclty what is the %rakeback you get.

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I can calculate it too, it's in a nice table and everything. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]