No such thing as a random card/number generator

[Kathy]

The show was on Discovery Channel and was about Gaming/Las Vegas.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RANDOM CARD/NUMBER GENERATOR!

PROVEN BY NEVADA GAMING COMMISSION-

TO GENERATE "RANDOM", someone has to write a program -
ALL PROGRAMS CAN BE "BROKE".

Ask the FORMER Nevada Gaming Enforcement Agent, working in slots FOR THE GAMING COMMISION, who "broke" the slot code in Nevada, took his "insite" to the EAST COAST, and "ginned" A MAJOR SLOT MACHINE!

Easy money!.

The Nevada agent lost his Nevada Gaming License and went straight to jail!

TELL THE TRUTH - ONLINE POKER IS A PROGRAM!

ALL PROGRAMS HAVE TO BE WRITTEN/CODED AND CAN BE "BROKE".

NOW WONDER if one is "MANIPULATED" while playing ON LINE POKER.


Kathy [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Party]

FINALLY some CONCLUSIVE PROOF that online POKER is RIGGED once AND FOR all!!

thank YOU KATHY for opening MY eyes

[recondite7]

Don't online algorithms use things such as temperature etc. to make them as random as possible.

[Don Olney]

On-line software use in-puts to start the RNG ---
Like-- Line spike amps, time of day, temp., rotation angle of the earth. If you can guess what they are using you can get the flop, turn and river cards.

[lstephen666]

You are right in that random number generators (RNGs) are programs, so you can argue that they are not 'truly' random.

The best RNGs use outside influences such as network delays, interrupt timings etc (temperature could be used, but I've never head of this) which are closer to 'truly' random to randomize the numbers generated more.

So, the quality of generator does play a large part in how random things seem, and a poor RNG can be cracked (it has been before).

I think you'll find that that the slot machine cracked relates to one particular variety, and does not mean that all slot machines can be cracked in a similar fashion.

Of course, you can add the usual things about real shuffles not being truly random etc.

[By-Tor]

if only we had someone that could develop us a pattern mapper!

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[adenosine]

Of course there is such a thing as a real random number generator. It's just not very feasable to use for a large poker site. There are many implementations, either you can use a radioactive substance and measure the time between discharges (completely unpreditable), or you can a CCD chip held in complete darkness (see http://www.lavarnd.org/ ).

Of course, it's been shown that a pseudorandom number generator that is seeded by a true random number is, for all practical purposes, just as good as a real random number generator.

[lstephen666]

Talk to these guys [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

http://www.cigital.com/papers/downlo...r_gambling.php

Note: from September, 1999 (so old, and probably not current)

[lstephen666]

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Of course there is such a thing as a real random number generator.

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Sorry, I should have been more specific. In software, there is not such thing as a 'true' random number generator.

The best ones do use outside inputs, which as you point out, makes them much more random.

[bobbyi]

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TO GENERATE "RANDOM", someone has to write a program

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This is actually not true. While one can generate pseudo-random numbers using software, there also exist hardware random number generators.

Here is an offering from Intel, for example:
http://www.intel.com/design/software...m/security.htm

You can find more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardwar...mber_generator