$11: KK OTB

[holy32]

BB is a very loose/passive donk. Hasn't been pwning the bubble, has just been rediculously loose all sng long.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3080
Button: t2470
Hero: t6020
BB: t8430

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero ???

Push or raise for value ?

[Kevin8423]

On second thought, you don't risk that much by raising and having him call, you could possibly gain enough chips through raising and getting a call that you could become the big stack and own the bubble. Raising is better than shoving.

[TwistedEcho]

I would raise

[DevinLake]

I'd put in a standard raise.

[holy32]

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t1200</font>, BB calls t800 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1400)</font>.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t2400, 2 players)
Hero ???

[DevinLake]

bet 2000, call a shove.

[holy32]

Pushing just as good there, no ?

[DevinLake]

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Pushing just as good, no ?

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Yea, it might actually better. I usually don't overbet shove anything, made hands, draws, anything.

But, here you really don't want him to call on a draw. So, if you go with the bet/call line you might entice a shove from a flush draw, whereas a shove might get him to fold.

[allaboutheu]

I would raise pre to 1k if either of the 2 ss (not the cl) call you I would open shove that flop.

[Sounded Simple]

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On second thought, you don't risk that much by raising and having him call, you could possibly gain enough chips through raising and getting a call that you could become the big stack and own the bubble. Raising is better than shoving.

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As I was reading the OP I was thinking "meh - eithers fine"
After reading this I can see real value in raising say 1600.

If he shoves back call of course
IF he folds then no big deal.
If he calls you can shove just about any flop without a ace.

In the last scenario if he folds your flop shove then you have massive pwning potential with as the b/s. (the main advantage being of course you can get all the chips in on a future hand, lose and still be ok)

Being second big stack with the b/s on your left is awkward.