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Old 12-01-2007, 07:55 PM
XCappucinoX1 XCappucinoX1 is offline
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Default Sick Situation in 2-4 PLO game on Stars

So I am playing this 2-4 PLO game on PS and the following hand arises:
Seat 1: XCappucinoX1 ($485.70 in chips)
Seat 2: pooey ($884 in chips)
Seat 3: 8oggo8 ($400 in chips)
Seat 4: fzoohtt ($837.20 in chips)
Seat 5: lbrahim ($213.95 in chips)
Seat 6: bigjwhoa ($410 in chips)
XCappucinoX1: posts small blind $2
pooey: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to XCappucinoX1 [Tc Ks 8d Ts]
8oggo8: raises $10 to $14
fzoohtt: calls $14
lbrahim: calls $14
bigjwhoa: folds

Preflop Raiser is on stone cold tilt, so i can call a raise from him with almost anything so i decide to see a flop here.

XCappucinoX1: calls $12
pooey: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [Qs 6d Td]
XCappucinoX1: checks
pooey: bets $40
8oggo8: calls $40
fzoohtt: raises $187 to $227
lbrahim: folds


I would like to hear your opinions on what I should do here.
I will post the rest of the hand history shortly
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: Sick Situation in 2-4 PLO game on Stars

So you have no read on the flop raiser at all? If that's the case, I'd just shove. He's not going to need a lot to come over the top of the weak lead. I think 66 and QT are going to be in most players' ranges here and you'll see a draw fairly frequently too.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:02 PM
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Default Re: Sick Situation in 2-4 PLO game on Stars

yeah plus backdoor spades are obv. coming.


There are times in my life when I've laid this down, though. There is a group of players that will only c/r with a set, and they're a good group to ID.

Although if you don't push, you won't have the potential thrill of spiking a one-outer.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:24 PM
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Default Re: Sick Situation in 2-4 PLO game on Stars

I think its important to note that the bettor and the raiser are both 2BI+ deep making it less likely the raiser has anything but the most premium drawing hand or QQ. I still probably push here without a read, but you are not giving up a ton of equity by folding.

I know it is unorthodox, but what about just calling? If we put the raiser on big draw or QQ+ it would be clever to give the other players the odds to come in with a draw since if you are good against the raiser the other to players are likely to be blocking each other from hitting there flush or straight draws. I guess I would be pushing most turns if I cold-called on the flop. If I were to call the flop then both players got all 840 in behind me I may vomit and fold. I am probably way out there with this, so tell me why I am wrong.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:51 PM
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Default Re: Sick Situation in 2-4 PLO game on Stars

I think I let it go untilted. not a big fan of the pf call.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:56 PM
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Default Re: Sick Situation in 2-4 PLO game on Stars

Looking at the hand again, if you know you are against a mid-stakes stars regular I think it is a good fold.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:05 PM
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Default Re: Sick Situation in 2-4 PLO game on Stars

push
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:09 PM
XCappucinoX1 XCappucinoX1 is offline
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Default Re: Sick Situation in 2-4 PLO game on Stars

So I decided to fold thinking that with 3 ppl in this pot I am going to either be against top set, top two, bottom set, or one or multiple straight draw flush draw hands. I didn't feel like it was worth putting in the money here because if I happen to be against QQ then i am drawing virtually dead and if I am against straight draw flush draw hands, then I am also not much of a favorite. I didn't even think long about this....for some reason it just seemed to be an easy clear fold but then after looking back at the hand history I had second thoughts about how "easy" of a fold it really should have been.

XCappucinoX1: folds
pooey: calls $187
8oggo8: calls $187
*** TURN *** [Qs 6d Td] [5s]
pooey: checks
8oggo8: bets $159 and is all-in
fzoohtt: raises $437.20 to $596.20 and is all-in
pooey said, "i have set of queens and still gonna get outdrawn"
pooey: calls $596.20
*** RIVER *** [Qs 6d Td 5s] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pooey: shows [4h Qc Qh Ah] (three of a kind, Queens)
fzoohtt: shows [Kd 9d 8c Jc] (a flush, King high)
fzoohtt collected $874.40 from side pot
8oggo8: mucks hand
fzoohtt collected $1225 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2102.40 Main pot $1225. Side pot $874.40. | Rake $3
Board [Qs 6d Td 5s 2d]
Seat 1: XCappucinoX1 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: pooey (big blind) showed [4h Qc Qh Ah] and lost with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 3: 8oggo8 mucked [Kh As Jd 6h]
Seat 4: fzoohtt showed [Kd 9d 8c Jc] and won ($2099.40) with a flush, King high
Seat 5: lbrahim folded on the Flop
Seat 6: bigjwhoa (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old 12-02-2007, 12:23 AM
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Default Re: Sick Situation in 2-4 PLO game on Stars

Against an unknown I'd shove but there is a lot of players on stars against which I'd fold.

PS: Stars' regulars at mid stakes are generally tighter than what I see on FT or UB (not that many games run there). I just play Stars because the UI lets me play a lot of tables at once.
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Old 12-02-2007, 12:32 AM
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Default Re: Sick Situation in 2-4 PLO game on Stars

iggymcfly tilts me...such an easy fold from where youre at.
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