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Old 01-05-2007, 03:28 PM
G_Dollaz G_Dollaz is offline
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Full Tilt Poker
$3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
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<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
Hero (CO): $1032.05
BTN: $600
SB: $232.1
BB: $1393
UTG: $951.90
MP: $1221

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($9, 6 players)
UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24</font>, BTN calls $24, SB folds, BB calls $18

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($75, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $60</font>, BTN calls $60, BB calls $60

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] ($255, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $171</font>, BTN calls $171, BB folds

<font color="black">River:</font> 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($597, 2 players)


button in this hand is Tao Jones. for those who don't know him, he's a very solid tag. against most tag villian's this is a value push for me, but he and I don't seem to get too out of line against each other. his smooth calls w/ BB still in the hand scare me a little bit too, thoughts?
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:28 PM
Blizzardbaum Blizzardbaum is offline
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Default Re: tptk vs 2+2\'er

there is a good chance the BB c/c flop with a K and folded on the turn, which means you are rarely up against AK/KQ here.

smooth calling two streets on a dry board in a 3-way raised pot is an incredibly strong line. i c/f river.
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:34 PM
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I agree that this looks very much like 55 or 77, but I am not too sure you can fold here. He will only have 300 left to bet into a 600 pot. Do you think you win less often than 1/4 of the time?
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:46 PM
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I think you should check the turn, maybe call once if the button bets. I would not call twice.
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:58 PM
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I think you should check the turn, maybe call once if the button bets. I would not call twice.

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I rarely check the turn here simply b/c my image is so aggro postflop, that I can typically bet all 3 streets for value here and expect to be called by virtually any A, which is what I was trying to do vs the BB. Tao Jones is one of the only opponents that I wouldn't fire 3 streets for value against, but he could have easily been floating the flop w/ a sc that hit a pair, and I didn't want to give him a free card, AND, if he folds and BB calls I push the river for value also. That was what I was thinking as far as why I bet the turn. bad reasoning?

also, what do we do if he checks behind on the turn and then bb checks? do we bet fold?
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Old 01-05-2007, 05:03 PM
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I think you should check the turn, maybe call once if the button bets. I would not call twice.

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I rarely check the turn here simply b/c my image is so aggro postflop, that I can typically bet all 3 streets for value here and expect to be called by virtually any A, which is what I was trying to do vs the BB.

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If that is the case then pot the flop and the turn so that we aren't deep enough on the river to ever consider folding.
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Old 01-05-2007, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: tptk vs 2+2\'er

Well not knowning what's going to happen on later streets, what would be reasoning for making a potsized bet on this dry flop?
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Old 01-05-2007, 05:29 PM
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Well not knowning what's going to happen on later streets, what would be reasoning for making a potsized bet on this dry flop?

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OP believes he is seen as so aggressive post-flop that he can get value from BB on three streets. OP is willing to get all-in on this flop against that player.
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Old 01-05-2007, 05:35 PM
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Well not knowning what's going to happen on later streets, what would be reasoning for making a potsized bet on this dry flop?

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OP believes he is seen as so aggressive post-flop that he can get value from BB on three streets. OP is willing to get all-in on this flop against that player.

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egh, I don't neccesarily know that I want to get it all in on the flop, that being said I rarely if ever pot the flop or turn on dry boards
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Old 01-05-2007, 05:44 PM
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I say at worst, chop chop. Or you have him out kicked. KQ nieborhood.
I don't feel you should be scared of a set because of the call on the turn. If he made a set, you would have gotten rasied on the turn, especailly with another player behind on that board. Either way, it's going to be show down on the river. You pay him off if he hit 7's or 5s. Poorly played set in a 3 way pot on the turn if that.
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