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Old 10-20-2007, 03:21 AM
pete fabrizio pete fabrizio is offline
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Default 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $250
UTG+1: $466
CO: $580.30
Button: $1140
SB: $396
hero: $413.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $12</font>, hero calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($24, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $24</font>, hero calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($72, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $52</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $168</font>, SB calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($408, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero is all-in $209.4</font>
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Old 10-20-2007, 04:55 AM
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Default Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw

I don't mind it, Pete. You've got the Q blocker for the straight and there's really only one hand that can call this - KK. TTxx would be retarded as it wouldn't have gone past the turn so unless he's got the 2nd nuts, he'll be finding this near impossible to call.
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:12 AM
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Default Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw

in my experience once they call the turn here, they are just never folding
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Old 10-20-2007, 04:29 PM
pete fabrizio pete fabrizio is offline
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Default Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw

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in my experience once they call the turn here, they are just never folding

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This is the main reason I posted. I have generally found this too. If I had a PSB left in my stack I probably wouldn't have bothered firing the river at all. But with a half-psb, I'm getting a pretty good price on the bluff, and (maybe?) it looks stronger than a half-PSB when I have more chips behind.
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Old 10-20-2007, 05:18 PM
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Default Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw

You have to know this player too right? You didn't do this vs a complete unknown I take it?
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Old 10-20-2007, 05:23 PM
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Default Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw

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You have to know this player too right? You didn't do this vs a complete unknown I take it?

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Not a ton of history, but I'd been playing with him for a couple hours and he was moderately loose-aggressive. I don't think a special read is all that necessary though.
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Old 10-20-2007, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw

Is this one of the hands you sent me Pete?

FWIW I agree with this:
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in my experience once they call the turn here, they are just never folding

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Old 10-20-2007, 10:57 PM
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Default Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw

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in my experience once they call the turn here, they are just never folding

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Once he calls the turn, he is probably calling the river getting 3 to 1. What is your image?
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:58 PM
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Default Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw

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in my experience once they call the turn here, they are just never folding

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Once he calls the turn, he is probably calling the river getting 3 to 1. What is your image?

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I would guess I have a very aggressive image. But that cuts both ways -- I could definitely be bluffing, but I could also be value-betting pretty thin. And of course the fact that he's getting good odds cuts both ways as well -- on the one hand you'd think he'd call, but on the other hand he might think I wouldn't try to bluff him when he's so "obviously" pot-committed. plus, of course, it means I'm getting good odds.
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Old 10-21-2007, 12:05 AM
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Default Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw

Obviously he is more likely to call you if you have a pretty aggressive image. You may need a PSB on the river to pull this off if he had a decent but not great hand.

If you plan on firing on the river regardless of what comes out, I like TheRempel's idea of betting less on the turn in order to have a PSB on the river. The smaller than pot bet on the turn may look scarier than a PSB too.
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