aggression

slicer65 · #1 04-27-2007, 02:14 AM

IM sure this is very basic for eveybody. But im completely second guessing myself. Aussie recommended being more aggressive post flop.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.10/$0.2
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) hero is MP2 with :ks :js
UTG calls, 3 folds, [color=#cc0000]hero raises, MP3 folds, [color=#cc0000]CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG calls, hero calls.

Flop: :tc :jd :4c (10.5SB, 3 players)
UTG checks, [color=#cc0000]hero bets, [color=#cc0000]CO raises, UTG folds, [color=#cc0000]hero 3-bets, CO calls.

Turn: :td (8.25BB, 2 players)
[color=#cc0000]hero bets, CO calls.

River: :4s (10.25BB, 2 players)
[color=#cc0000]hero bets, CO calls.

CO Qc Qd

Results:
Final pot: 12.25BB

Opponent 17/10/1.5. If i c/r him on the flop hes probaly going to call down. If i bet outright he will probably come over the top. So how could I have played this better?

lautzutao · #2 04-27-2007, 02:21 AM

This hand is played fine, you just ran into a better one.

slicer65 · #3 04-27-2007, 02:22 AM

being as tight as he was, as soon as he came over the top i would have normally folded. Why is this a better play?

Aaron W. · #4 04-27-2007, 02:25 AM

I don't think I donk this flop. Given that you did, 3-betting is correct.

lautzutao · #5 04-27-2007, 02:43 AM

Your hand's a slight favorite against a 17/10's 3-bet range preflop w/ that flop coming(99+ AQ+ sound good?). So I don't mind a 3-bet here. If he caps you can think about whether or not you should be folding.

Aaron, why don't you like the donk?

slicer65 · #6 04-27-2007, 02:52 AM

are you saying i missed played the prelop? Middle position with kj suited = a raise. Am I missing something?

Aaron W. · #7 04-27-2007, 02:57 AM

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Aaron, why don't you like the donk?

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Opponent 17/10/1.5. If i c/r him on the flop hes probaly going to call down. If i bet outright he will probably come over the top.

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1) Betting is a good way to get action from better hands, unless you are totally convinced he raises AK/AQ/KQ and 99 here. The 1.5 AF has me second-guessing hero's read.

2) I'd rather check/raise/call than bet/3-bet and sometimes /call, or worse, bet/3-bet the flop and bet/call the turn.

3) Check-raising sometimes gets UTG to put two bets into the pot whereas facing him with two bets sometimes will not.

Shillx · #8 04-27-2007, 03:11 AM

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I don't think I donk this flop. Given that you did, 3-betting is correct.

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Yeah I would 3-bet but I would never lead so it is a moot point. That said there is merit to the way you played it eventhough it figures to basically always be -EV in this case. Lead/calling is bad unless you are planning on lead/reraising the turn but let's not adress that here. Lead/3-betting is a legit play though it doesn't figure to work with just top pair unless the guy is a complete LAG or will fold AA-QQ (not gonna happen).

I would check/call the flop.

slicer65 · #9 04-27-2007, 03:12 AM

Reviewing the hand again, I agree with Aaron. Bet on the flop and see if a 1.5 player raises should tell me where he is.

OziBattler · #10 04-27-2007, 03:22 AM

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Aussie recommended being more aggressive post flop

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actually I thought I said that were too fit/fold because your W2SD was quite low, your W$SD was at the high end and your postflop aggro was above the 2-3range as per FAQ.

Actually, having a high postflop AF given your tight VPIP isnt bad at all but I drew my conclusion looking at the 3 stats in question.