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#11
06-06-2006, 03:23 PM
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Re: HSP - Could Elezra get away from set over set?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In HOH, Harrington says that every time he hears someone saying that they laid down a set on the flop because they thought their opponent had a higher set, he thinks "idiot." [/ QUOTE ] Barry G laid down a set of Q's with an Ace on board. I highly doubt Harrington thinks of Barry G as an "idiot" Oh and not only that, but his opponent then showed him a set of aces. [/ QUOTE ] I'm just telling you what the guy said. Since HOH is about tournament poker, his comments may only apply in a tournament context. I don't think Action Dan is a big cash game player. [/ QUOTE ] Barry's laydown was in a tournament. 
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#12
06-06-2006, 03:45 PM
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Re: HSP - Could Elezra get away from set over set?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In HOH, Harrington says that every time he hears someone saying that they laid down a set on the flop because they thought their opponent had a higher set, he thinks "idiot." [/ QUOTE ] Barry G laid down a set of Q's with an Ace on board. I highly doubt Harrington thinks of Barry G as an "idiot" Oh and not only that, but his opponent then showed him a set of aces. [/ QUOTE ] I'm just telling you what the guy said. Since HOH is about tournament poker, his comments may only apply in a tournament context. I don't think Action Dan is a big cash game player. [/ QUOTE ] Barry's laydown was in a tournament. [/ QUOTE ] It was also on the river, where BG had a lot more information.
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#15
06-07-2006, 06:06 PM
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Re: HSP - Could Elezra get away from set over set?
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In episode 5, the following hand occured: Buss is UTG, and calls with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Negranu on his left raises to 2600 with K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. 3 Folds to Elezra who calls with 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Farha Calls wtih 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. 1 fold, Buss calls and the flop comes 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Pot is 11,800. Checks to Negranu who bets 7,500. Elezra and Farha both call, and Buss pushes all-in for 56,000 more. Negranu folds and Elezra calls, and Farha Folds. This was well before Buss loosened up, and he was playing very few hands. I'm curious what range of hands he thinks Buss will play preflop and be strong enough to check-raise this flop. 7-8 and multi-draw hands seem unlikely because of the pre-flop action. Buss had folded overpairs previously and just called down one on another occasion. Other than a set, the only hands Buss Might play this way seems like JJ-QQ, and even then his play seems at least unusual. I really think Elezra could have got off of this, anyone else think so? [/ QUOTE ] i'm not sure anybody can fold this (like forrest episode 1 against doc gyneco) plus buss is the same guy who calls for all his chips with TP2K
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#16
06-07-2006, 06:17 PM
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Re: HSP - Could Elezra get away from set over set?
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[ QUOTE ] In episode 5, the following hand occured: Buss is UTG, and calls with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Negranu on his left raises to 2600 with K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. 3 Folds to Elezra who calls with 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Farha Calls wtih 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. 1 fold, Buss calls and the flop comes 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Pot is 11,800. Checks to Negranu who bets 7,500. Elezra and Farha both call, and Buss pushes all-in for 56,000 more. Negranu folds and Elezra calls, and Farha Folds. This was well before Buss loosened up, and he was playing very few hands. I'm curious what range of hands he thinks Buss will play preflop and be strong enough to check-raise this flop. 7-8 and multi-draw hands seem unlikely because of the pre-flop action. Buss had folded overpairs previously and just called down one on another occasion. Other than a set, the only hands Buss Might play this way seems like JJ-QQ, and even then his play seems at least unusual. I really think Elezra could have got off of this, anyone else think so? [/ QUOTE ] i'm not sure anybody can fold this (like forrest episode 1 against doc gyneco) plus buss is the same guy who calls for all his chips with TP2K [/ QUOTE ] plus elezra asked him before seeing buss set if he wanted to deal it twice, probably putting buss was on somthin like a couple high spdes
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#17
06-07-2006, 06:23 PM
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Re: HSP - Could Elezra get away from set over set?
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i'm not sure anybody can fold this (like forrest episode 1 against doc gyneco) [/ QUOTE ] Care to give some reasoning? Just because it's a set doesn't mean you have to call. Plus that hand against Nasseri was a very different situation. Nasseri played that very well, and on the last bet, Forrest was really pot commited. In the hand in question, Elezra wasn't getting very good odds at all (11,800+7500+7500+7500+56000 = 90,3000) - 56000 or about 1.6 to one. [ QUOTE ] plus buss is the same guy who calls for all his chips with TP2K [/ QUOTE ] Not sure I recall this, but I'm positive it wasn't in the first few episodes, so Elezra wouldn't have this information at the time. From what they showed, Buss played very tight, especially in the early episodes.
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#18
06-07-2006, 06:33 PM
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Re: HSP - Could Elezra get away from set over set?
I've never folded a set on the flop and I am not sure I ever could.
Maybe if I had black 6s and the flop was 6d 7d 8d. Maybe. Have any of you actually folded a set on the flop before?
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#19
06-07-2006, 06:55 PM
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Re: HSP - Could Elezra get away from set over set?
well like i said elezra's read was not an overset obv, if you don't have a particular read on somebody you can't laydown a set cause you face too much action(you welcome it) plus everybody knew buss was tight and the range you can put him on is somethin like a pair or high suited card
of course afterwards you can always argue that an underset is foldable but it's hard to. particularly against an amateur who is rich as hell!!
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#20
06-07-2006, 09:44 PM
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Re: HSP - Could Elezra get away from set over set?
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I've never folded a set on the flop and I am not sure I ever could. Maybe if I had black 6s and the flop was 6d 7d 8d. Maybe. Have any of you actually folded a set on the flop before? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. I got roasted in MSNL for it. But it was the right laydown (unraised pot, super tight player comes over me with massive 3-bet check-raise on the flop, plus reads).
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