JJ in capped pot

yourface · #1 09-17-2007, 05:42 PM

BB is pretty loose pre but doesn't raise enough overall. reasonably aggro postflop, but makes mistakes and scare cards can freeze him up.

UTG is LP pre, somewhat aggro post. a worse player than BB.

Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2.50/$5
4 players
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Pre-flop: (4 players) yourface is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Button folds, yourface raises to $10, BB raises to $15, UTG calls, yourface raises to $20, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($60, 3 players)
yourface bets $5, BB raises to $10, UTG calls,

I put the BB on TP+ and UTG on any pair any draw maybe some overcards

3ball or what? what if UTG had folded?

NinaWilliams · #2 09-17-2007, 06:01 PM

Its pretty close. Youre dog vs BB on the flop IMO, but with UTG's overlay, 3 betting is about nuetral ev. The fact that BB should put in another bet with AA swings this to a calldown for me.

Sheakspeer · #3 09-17-2007, 06:20 PM

At this point there's no reason for us to think our hand is no good - and we lose just as much value by playing this passively as we do flat lose by playing this aggressively and being behind to AA I would think.

I say this because if the turn's a brick we lead and are raised, BB will occasionally show up with AK / TT so the aggressive line doesn't always lose, but the passive line will result in a check on a street that we don't want to see it.

Oink · #4 09-17-2007, 06:38 PM

I run bad so I just call. I am fairly sure you are behind to BB but as Nina says there is a nice overlay from the moran.

Dunno, cant be a big mistake to 3-ball it.

detruncate · #5 09-17-2007, 09:08 PM

I'm not convinced that UTG adds enough to the pot to make 3-betting better than just calling given your read, so I shut it down.

Hu it seems closer to a fold than a 3-bet. I call down absent an A or K.

yourface · #6 09-17-2007, 09:40 PM

part 2

Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
4 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (4 players) yourface is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Button folds, yourface raises to $105, BB raises to $15, UTG calls, yourface raises to $20, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($60, 3 players)
yourface bets $5, BB raises to $10, UTG calls, yourface calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($90, 3 players)
yourface checks, BB checks, UTG checks.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($90, 3 players)

at this point I'm thinking that BB has a weak pair or something like AJ/AK, and UTG might have a weak pair but more likely has some kind of busted draw or missed overcards

can a c/r be considered here? I might induce some bluffs and any pair SHOULD value bet when checked to

NinaWilliams · #7 09-17-2007, 09:43 PM

This used to be a spot where Id c/r a lot. I whiffed every time so I decided betting is probably better.

globalboy · #8 09-17-2007, 09:50 PM

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At this point there's no reason for us to think our hand is no good

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Eh?

SparkMan · #9 09-17-2007, 10:05 PM

BB probably has AK and hard to say what UTG has, maybe A3 or small pp. I think either one would be happy to showdown three handed. So I would lead the river.

Sheakspeer · #10 09-17-2007, 11:53 PM

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At this point there's no reason for us to think our hand is no good

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Eh?

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So you muck, eh?