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Old 10-13-2007, 09:25 PM
RudeboyOi RudeboyOi is offline
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Default Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best

rzk

look at it this way

if you know someone is raising light

its okay to reraise them light

sometimes youre a slight dog
sometimes theyre a slight dog

any disparity in equity is usually made up
by the money in the blinds

the likelier the blinds are to fold
the likelier he is to raise light
and the more incentive you have to reraise him light

plus you have position
which is also worth something
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Old 10-14-2007, 12:10 AM
rzk rzk is offline
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Default Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best

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I just think its too tight and leaves money on the table. In particular with 3-betting situations.

Other books covering this topic and other coaching vids seem to 3-bet looser than Stox

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this is very interesting stuff, i should probably reexamine my 3-betting ranges. i guess i'll try to come up with some way to test the profitability of light reraises. have you ever tried to look at the bottom end of your reraising range to see if you are making money on it? i know it's pretty hard to do since pt doesn't have that capability but maybe you found some other way?
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Old 10-14-2007, 02:52 AM
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btw, what do you think is a good capping range in this situation. i think i've been a nit since the range i gave is pretty much my capping range.

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Villain is Co and yourface OTB right?

Well yourface is 3-balling me with a [censored]. So something a LOT wider than what you mentioned.

66'ish KJs, KQo, A9s, AJo, QJs, JTs, T9s

should all enter with positive prob IMO

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Oink, you're play is tilting me and we have never played.

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You don't think the button should 3bet a tag's CO open raise liberally? Well, why the [censored] not?
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Old 10-14-2007, 03:40 AM
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Default Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best

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why the [censored] not?

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I'm not going to get too out of line vs this guy b/c he is v good but he has a very wide raising range which I feel I can take advantage of with position and a stronger 3bet range

edit: my quoting means I agree that we should be 3betting a wide range
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Old 10-14-2007, 06:01 AM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best

omg i 3bet so light

i used to be such a boss man that i'd cap like 54s

and now i stopped

and it just mellowed out the swings

and


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it got me more poon
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Old 10-14-2007, 06:11 AM
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Default Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best

call, and if he checked bet

holla
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Old 10-14-2007, 08:55 AM
TheHip41 TheHip41 is offline
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Default Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best

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omg i 3bet so light

i used to be such a boss man that i'd cap like 54s

and now i stopped

and it just mellowed out the swings

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it got me more poon

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miles, you used to talk so much trash on here about being crazy LAGman.

now you have joined ILP and I as calldownTAGs

welcome to the club.
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Old 10-14-2007, 07:10 PM
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Default Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best

I call down villain shows TJdd
what do you think of his play?
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:09 PM
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I call down villain shows TJdd
what do you think of his play?

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don't like it. After your flop raise on rainbow board it is very clear you have a good pair. like i said i always call down here with good pairs and almost everybody else does to. The pot is getting big and we are all afraid of getting owned.

If he had t9s or even kq i would like this better.
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:16 PM
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Default Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best

Those were my thoughts too at first, and while they're true, look at the ammount of questioning we've put into this hand... It seems like at least 25% of people make this laydown at some point in the hand, which innately makes this play +EV just based on the pot size, in addition to getting all of your made hands paid off in the future.

It still is not a play I make regularly, but in a pot this size, I think it's worth fighting over when you're up against only 1 opponent.
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