6/12 Live: More garbage in the big blind

[Aces McGee]

I'd definitely 3-bet the turn here. Your hand doesn't look like a flush.

-McGee

[Hamlet]

I prefer the bet, 3-bet line, because thinning the field with this hand is not a bad result. You have a massive number of outs that could be cleaned up by thinning the field. If you can get someone holding a 3, 4, 5, or single high spade to fold, you will increase your odds of winning, or avoid a chopped pot (for the 5).

You don't mind them calling, but I'd rather have them pay 1 or 3 bets rather than 0 or 2. If I didn't have the pair, I would like check-raising more. Either play is going to be okay though.

I think 3-betting the turn is the best play. You put one of your opponents on a high spade, and the other is aggressive. He doesn't need a flush to raise here. Charge him. Bet a blank river. Flush over flush is an unfortunate possibility, but relatively rare. Suck it up and 3-bet.



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Why, I am not being results oriented I swear, because if the aggressive UTG raises he shuts out the field of suckers you want putting in money when you have like 50% or more equity.

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[Ricks]

On the flop I like to check with a hand like this if I know that I can rely on someone to bet. In this case we have no pf raiser and no assurances that a bet is going in. I would also bet.

I would 3-bet the turn, especially with CRG along for the ride. I am reluctant to put UTG on a flush because he tried to shut out the field on the flop in a small pot. UTG raising the flop to protect an ace with a hand such as AsXs would be OK in a large pot but there are 6 SB in the pot when he raises this flop.

[TheCount212]

I don't hate how you played this...although you should probably 3b the turn to make a higher [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] pay to chase you down. But with a baby flush and someone else betting for you caution is at least understandable.

[mongidig]

When I first read this I thought this was a super easy three bet on the turn based upon the reads of the players involved and your hand of course. I would like someone to convince me why this is not the play here. Perhaps I am missing something.

[Man of Means]

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When I first read this I thought this was a super easy three bet on the turn based upon the reads of the players involved and your hand of course. I would like someone to convince me why this is not the play here.

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Why it's not "super easy" is because (1) even though UTG is aggressive the read doesn't say he's a moron. The 3-flush is obvious and he has to at least consider the guy behind him might be drawing to it, combined with the possibility Hero is pumping a draw.

And (2) try putting UTG on a hand that hero beats that: doesn't cap the flop, but decides to raise a flush-completing Q. AsQx? QQ? He would probably raise preflop. 54? A set? He would probably cap the flop. It would have to be something daffy like Q6 which may be in his range but we are playing against his entire range not just the junky part.

[jesse8888]

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And (2) try putting UTG on a hand that hero beats that: doesn't cap the flop, but decides to raise a flush-completing Q.

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This is exactly what caused my head to hurt at the table. He didn't cap the flop, and that, at least to me, screamed "I have a big flush draw...me, right here". I mean, he's gotta cap the straight and sets, right? How do you not 4-bet those? Had he just 4-bet the flop, I would have had no trouble 3 betting the turn.

[mongidig]

You bring up very good points. When I said "super easy" that was my first instinct before I really thought about it. Obviously this is not a super easy choice. I would have to be there and have good reads to make it three bets. Calling is certainly reasonable given the information we have.