[50NL] I have trips but he pushes?

[ciro bonano]

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) handconverter.com

BB ($78.92)
UTG ($23.95)
MP ($58.85)
Hero ($49.45)
SB ($62.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $1.75, UTG calls $1.75.

Flop: ($7) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $76.67</font>, UTG folds, Hero ...


UTG was a fish, BB was aggro (30/20 stats, but I didn't know yet whether he was good or bad postflop). If BB has better trips/FH his line is retarded but that obviously doesn't mean he cannot play it this way. While thinking about this problem I've changed my mind from snapcall to snapfold a few times already [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Some possible variations which also interest me:
1) Hero holds KJ/KQ/AK
2) Hero holds AA/QQ
3) UTG isn't there
4) BB raises pot to $22

[cestlavie]

Can't see him doing this with anything less than a king. There are no draws and AA is unlikely since he didn't 3-bet preflop. Pushing the flop with a PP (non-3 or K) would be folly. Also there are 2 others besides him on the flop, so he's gotta give credit to the possibility that either one of you has a king. The main question is if your 8 is any good. This is not a hand you want to lose a big pot with. I wouldn't want to play for stacks here.

[Scrubbo]

i instacall without reads

i had someone push almost like this today on a KK7 board with 44 except he was a 55bb stack

[mvdgaag]

Preflop is marginal, but given the situation, ok, I guess.

Your kicker sucks and they called a preflop bet. His raise is rediculously high though, so I'd really like to know what he does this with. Eventually I'll take a stand in these situations, but as a standard I fold.

1) fold/sometimes call/call
2) fold/fold
3) still fold (although he doesn't bother me much with $20 left)
4) fold

[mvdgaag]

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i instacall without reads

i had someone push almost like this today on a KK7 board with 44 except he was a 55bb stack

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And you got lucky... Make a note, but remember calling without a kicker against any descent player is going to get you broke quickly.

[Scrubbo]

most people at these stakes aren't decent players and i will definitely have a read on him if he is

[mvdgaag]

Scrubbo, you are right a lot aren't decent players at uNL, therefore it sometimes is ok to call after we have a read that he's not.

As a standard fold, or you will become one of the not-decent players yourself. You can't just assume everyone is really bad untill proven otherwise, it'll get you broke soon.
Even if you're sure he's quite bad than you must realise that even a bad player will raise here with a better king almost all the time.

[infinite_loop]

Fold. Your pot odds are ridiculously bad and you're not ahead enough here.

[dhdell]

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Fold. Your pot odds are ridiculously bad and you're not ahead enough here.

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i concur.

[ciro bonano]

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Pushing the flop with any hand would be folly.

[/ QUOTE ]Which is why I wonder what hands aggro villains play this way.


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Fold. Your pot odds are ridiculously bad and you're not ahead enough here.

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i concur.

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How about a situation where Hero has AK? KQ?