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Old 07-15-2007, 12:34 AM
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Default Re: Short Stack Strat- WSOP Main Event

it depends on the guy. obviously if you think he's opening any pair you have to shove here, but a lot of people arent, so i fold here sometimes -- not that often though. with the range you gave (which is kinda a bizzarre one, and definitely not evenly distributed - he's not raising 67s as often as AKs while not raising 66 at all) i think i'd fold
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Old 07-15-2007, 12:49 AM
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Default Re: Short Stack Strat- WSOP Main Event

Thay3r and Exit may be right.

I understand finding a fold here, but saying "if I fall under 10xBB with these antes, I always jam 99, into any reasonable raise" is never a big mistake. Folding on the other hand can be. Assuming there is a good size field left, we need to double pretty soon anyway. Push-botting feels safer, but unless the table is crazy nit tight, I doubt we are 45% to double that way.
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Old 07-15-2007, 02:18 AM
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Default Re: Short Stack Strat- WSOP Main Event

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Thay3r and Exit may be right.

I understand finding a fold here, but saying "if I fall under 10xBB with these antes, I always jam 99, into any reasonable raise" is never a big mistake. Folding on the other hand can be. Assuming there is a good size field left, we need to double pretty soon anyway. Push-botting feels safer, but unless the table is crazy nit tight, I doubt we are 45% to double that way.

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This is a strategic question. I prefer to stay in the tournament and keep stealing. Eventually, your pushbots are going to get called or you will get a big hand, so you will get a chance to double up or bust out, but I don't see the point of forcing the issue.
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Old 07-15-2007, 08:58 AM
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Default Re: Short Stack Strat- WSOP Main Event

I auto shoved, more because I think I was tilted from the hand before.

I remember reading Harrington, saying that he doesnt fold 99+ with less than 10BBs. My M is about 4 when you take in account the ANTES.

The more I thought about it, the more I think its a fold.

I was applying the most liberal range possible for the BIG STACKS EP range (which would be more like my range with that chip stack in that position-- however I would be playing about 35% of the suited connectors in EP)
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Old 07-15-2007, 09:47 PM
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:51 AM
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Default Re: Short Stack Strat- WSOP Main Event

I am not being results orientated..

But, I think it's a pick your poison type of spot. If its +EV its marginal.

I think cases can be shown for shoving or folding.

I shoved and was shown 2 Kings.
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