50NL; 88 gets squeezed by a shortie pushing all-in

Lego05 · #1 08-19-2007, 09:24 PM

Shortstack is 21.95/17.07/1.21 postflop agg. over 80 hands

Other player is 24.27/13.59/2 postflop agg. over 200 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($63.45)
Button ($108.05)
SB ($13.75)
BB ($80.10)
UTG ($82.45)
Hero ($54.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, SB raises to $13.75, 1 fold, Hero ???

kaz2107 · #2 08-19-2007, 09:27 PM

meh. i prolly just dump it. both people seem to at least have a general idea about wut they r doing and i dont think u can call the shove. u either have to push or fold and i think pushing here is a spew.

stickdude · #3 08-19-2007, 09:37 PM

Heads-up I'd seriously think about calling, especially with his stats. However, with button still to act behind you, you'd be hating life if you called and button then decides to shove.

I'd let this one go.

Rounder101 · #4 08-19-2007, 09:37 PM

Fold, most of the time a coinflip, but u will see a higher pp lot of the times, and very few of those times a lower.
With button yet to act, if you call, he might call it too, or even raise it up here, and we dont want a huge pot OOP with 8s, so I would fold.

Lego05 · #5 08-19-2007, 09:41 PM

If it were headsup it's a pretty quick call IMO:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

955,465,632 games 0.063 secs 15,166,121,142 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.273% 43.52% 00.75% 415856304 7155666.00 { 88 }
Hand 1: 55.727% 54.98% 00.75% 525297996 7155666.00 { 66+, AQs+, AJo+ }

marvin_1935 · #6 08-20-2007, 12:48 AM

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If it were headsup it's a pretty quick call IMO:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

955,465,632 games 0.063 secs 15,166,121,142 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.273% 43.52% 00.75% 415856304 7155666.00 { 88 }
Hand 1: 55.727% 54.98% 00.75% 525297996 7155666.00 { 66+, AQs+, AJo+ }

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SB's range is wider: 22+ ATs+ AJo+ KQs at least.

just go ahead and shove to isolate the sb. the button only called your raise so he isnt going to call an ai.

sightless · #7 08-20-2007, 01:18 AM

cal cal calll call call

you have button beat

Lego05 · #8 08-20-2007, 03:22 AM

Yea I probably should have shoved, but I thought a smaller raise would accomplish the same thing and I didn't think it through enough I guess. Anyway...what is going on here:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($63.45)
Button ($108.05)
SB ($13.75)
BB ($80.10)
UTG ($82.45)
Hero ($54.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, SB raises to $13.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $28, Button raises to $108.05, Hero ???

Rounder101 · #9 08-20-2007, 04:23 PM

button, flat calling a huge hand to ur first raise, was definetely a possiblility, thats why I first said I would play it safe and fold.
By trying to play what most likely was a coinflip, now u are facing a very tough spot and decision.
If I am not wrong u are getting 3.65-1 odds,
We will be needing to win around a little more than one out of every 5 hands, we would have to take this one like 23% of the time to make it a profitable call.
So even if hes got rockets, its a close call. The question is, will he show us AK-AQ,or any other coinflip hand enough of the time to make this profitable, and IMO he will.
I call in this spot.
If you think this through, and button was a thinking player, calling JJ+ is a great play in this spot, cuz the shortstack will be in a very tempting spot to squeeze shove, with marginal hands.

HBomb · #10 08-20-2007, 04:25 PM

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Yea I probably should have shoved, but I thought a smaller raise would accomplish the same thing and I didn't think it through enough I guess. Anyway...what is going on here:

That one guy was right, this is exactly what you should be afraid of..

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($63.45)
Button ($108.05)
SB ($13.75)
BB ($80.10)
UTG ($82.45)
Hero ($54.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, SB raises to $13.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $28, Button raises to $108.05, Hero ???

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This is exactly what the other guy said we should be afraid of.