Play though a hand with me here....

[0evg0]

why are the 4am threads so much funnier than the waking-hour threads?

[registrar]

Which card is the diamond?

[Kips Bay Kid]

check that flop given you are likely behind, your tricky player could have hit his set (he easily could have min-raised J's - that is tricky in itself, most people raise more), your hand cannot handle any push back - although maybe you think tricky player is super tricky and will just smooth call your raise

[uclabruinz]

Taking a stab here is fine. Or check, that's fine too.

[Foucault]

Although I agree that your call of the UTG raise looks strong, I don't think it looks strong enough to bluff in a spot where you'll have only backdoor outs against even a very marginal made hand. Moreover, your bet looks like exactly what it is: three players, including the pre-flop raiser, check to you on a dry board. I don't think any good player would expect you to need much of a hand to bet in this spot. If you had any kind of draw, I'd like a bet more, because you obviously don't want to bet in spots like this only when you have an overpair or better.

[THEOSU]

you said villain slowplays monsters and you're surprised by him checking?

check behind planning to fold if predictable LP bets.

[MuckMe]

FWIW - I check/fold also. You were in the hand to see if you could hit a monster to take someone's entire stack and it ain't happening. If it were heads-up and it was checked to me, I might try to steal it, but in this situation I am done unless it gets checked around and the turn gives me straight and flush draws.

[Assani Fisher]

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Which card is the diamond?

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I believe it was the jack, although I don't remember it 100%.

[registrar]

OK. So bet or check?

I don't think that checking can ever be wrong in this situation. You have to presume that you'll need a very kind turn and river to pull ahead in the hand if you bet and get called.

You can bet but I can't understand what hand UTG would have that he'll be folding here. From your reads, it seems clear that LP and the blinds are folding or telling you pretty loudly that they have a hand.

If you bet here, it can only be with the intention of getting heads up with UTG. However, I don't see what scare card that you can turn to get UTG off his hand. I presume that he's not checking this flop unless he has a hand.

I check here, every time.

I take full credit for Assani's rise from the dead [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Oh, and this

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Is this a joke? It's been two month since you started the post. We're on pace to hit the river in 2008.

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Is far and away the best part of this thread. I just lost it.