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Old 05-06-2007, 11:45 PM
ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S is offline
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Default Re: [.25/.50] I have TPWK and don\'t remember what to do with it

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I call every street, bet if checked to.

WA/WB.

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clearly correct.

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IMO this pot is too big and too multiway (even with just one potential overcaller) to be WA/WB, hence my comment that I wouldn't raise if either of those things wasn't a factor. It's too easily possible that the other guy has 4-6 outs.

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its also too easily possible that the first guy has AK/Q or AA/QQ exactly
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Old 05-06-2007, 11:50 PM
Bruce D Bruce D is offline
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Default Re: [.25/.50] I have TPWK and don\'t remember what to do with it

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river fold is awful in this huge pot with tpgk.

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I would agree if we merely called the flop and the turn, but given the preflop and turn action, I don't think we are good here 1 in 16 times.
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Old 05-06-2007, 11:57 PM
BigBadBabar BigBadBabar is offline
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Default Re: [.25/.50] I have TPWK and don\'t remember what to do with it

yes i agree and understand that the river counterfeits our kicker; i thought we were talking about the rest of the hand
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Old 05-07-2007, 08:16 AM
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Default Re: [.25/.50] I have TPWK and don\'t remember what to do with it

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His whole range doesnt bet the turn. or in other words, his range is different when he decides to bet the turn after you both call the flop. it'd be one thing if you could just decide, "i'd rather raise the turn against your flop betting range," but you just can't do that. by calling the flop you are giving him information about your holding, which he will use to decide whether or not to bet the turn. i'd say every player in the world has a tighter range when they bet the turn than when they bet the flop. so, you're putting more money in against his adjusted, tighter range, and also getting absolutely value-towned by it when he 3-bets and you call down.

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This is an awesome post. So, miles, are you raising flop or just calling down then?
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