botch?

[Guruman]

both villains are relatively unknown, but not loose passive or total maniacs either one.

on the flop my hand is clearly good enough to call, and I figure that I’m up against a naked ace enough that I want to make the effort to get headsup by raising instead. Crazy or ok?

turn kinda plays itself.

***** Hand history (v1.2) *****
Hand ID 76358217
$3/$6 Texas Hold'em (Split Limit) - 00:06:07 08/12/2006 ET
Table 'Ragged (6 Max)', 6 seats max, Real money
Seat 0 is the button. Small Blind $1, Big Blind $3

Player 1: Small Blind ($1)
Player 2: Big Blind ($3)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to ThGuruman: [A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Player 3: <font color="gray">fold</font>
Player 4: <font color="gray">fold</font>
ThGuruman: <font color="red">raise</font> ($6)
Player 0: <font color="gray">fold</font>
Player 1: <font color="green">call</font> ($5)
Player 2: <font color="green">call</font> ($3)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
Player 1: <font color="green">check</font> ($0)
Player 2: <font color="red">bet</font> ($3)
ThGuruman: <font color="red">raise</font> ($6)
Player 1: <font color="green">call</font> ($6)
Player 2: <font color="red">raise</font> ($6)
ThGuruman: <font color="green">call</font> ($3)
Player 1: <font color="green">call</font> ($3)
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
Player 1: <font color="green">check</font> ($0)
Player 2: <font color="red">bet</font> ($6)
ThGuruman: <font color="green">call</font> ($6)
Player 1: <font color="red">raise</font> ($12)
Player 2: <font color="red">raise</font> ($12)
ThGuruman: <font color="gray">fold</font>

[MacGuyV]

It's always easy to be results-oriented when these flop raises backfire, but I'd honestly prefer a more concrete passive or maniac read to raise there.
The turn looks like a fold the first time; maybe i'm missing something.

[duckman]

[ QUOTE ]
It's always easy to be results-oriented when these flop raises backfire, but I'd honestly prefer a more concrete passive or maniac read to raise there.
The turn looks like a fold the first time; maybe i'm missing something.

[/ QUOTE ]you aren't giving either of them credit for a 4 or 3 on the basis of the flop play are you, so given the action on the flop I would still call for overcards given the pot size expecting the player 1 to call.
after he c/r we are safely done with the hand.
The bigger problem I have with the flop raise here is I don't think anyone playing 6 max today is that passive that they will give you a free card here. Even full ring .5/1 isn't that passive anymore. They all assume you have a big ace so even 77 isn't going to sloww down here.

[Oink]

Player 2 bet/3-bets into two players even though player 1 cold calls 2. I think we should give at least one of them credit for a made hand and fold the turn UI.

Regarding the flop play I like it if player 2 would donk A high and player 1 is tight enough to fold to 2 bets, but it certainly requires a read.