Have a set, three bet on the turn - what do I do now?

BrassMonkey · #1 07-20-2007, 06:47 AM

Villian is a passive and really bad player. Should I call this down or go to cap city? Is not raising this flop horrible? It's pretty dry...

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (3.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero?

TheHip41 · #2 07-20-2007, 06:49 AM

pf, lmao

I just raise the flop

Once I get three bet on the turn, I am assuming I am losing, and calling the turn to hit, then calling the river UI

Oink · #3 07-20-2007, 06:55 AM

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pf, lmao

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Why? I think its fine

Overlimping small pp's after 1 limper can be fine. Consider raising and folding as well. I would overlimp if the players behind me are loose/bad. If they are tight and if the limper is bad I ISO-raise. If the limper isnt crazy bad and if I have tough players behind me I just muck it. But its close.

Jam the flop

As played I cap turn and bet/call river. Slowing down here is to weak IMO. He is playing his AA-KK like an "expert" often enough not to mention you may have the best set or be up against 2 pair.

BrassMonkey · #4 07-20-2007, 06:58 AM

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pf, lmao

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Why? I think its fine

Overlimping small pp's after 1 limper can be fine. Consider raising and folding as well. I would overlimp if the players behind me are loose/bad. If they are tight and if the limper is bad I ISO-raise. If the limper isnt crazy bad and if I have tough players behind me I just muck it. But its close.

Jam the flop

As played I cap turn and bet/call river. Slowing down here is to weak IMO. He is playing his AA-KK like an "expert" often enough not to mention you may have the best set or be up against 2 pair.

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Yea, I figured you'd say to pop the flop hard. My bad. I capped the turn and he bet into me on the river. At that point, I just called.

TheHip41 · #5 07-20-2007, 07:07 AM

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pf, lmao

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Why? I think its fine

Overlimping small pp's after 1 limper can be fine. Consider raising and folding as well. I would overlimp if the players behind me are loose/bad. If they are tight and if the limper is bad I ISO-raise. If the limper isnt crazy bad and if I have tough players behind me I just muck it. But its close.

Jam the flop

As played I cap turn and bet/call river. Slowing down here is to weak IMO. He is playing his AA-KK like an "expert" often enough not to mention you may have the best set or be up against 2 pair.

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Yea, I figured you'd say to pop the flop hard. My bad. I capped the turn and he bet into me on the river. At that point, I just called.

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once this guy check three bets the turn, I don't think you are winning often enough to warrant capping the turn.

If it is a spazz player, then cap the turn.

Once you cap, and he leads, just calling the river is fine.

And Oink, limping 55 there in the AP games, 5-10 and up is going to get you murderized.

I think it's close, and with two limpers, I'm in.

Oink · #6 07-20-2007, 07:08 AM

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I capped the turn and he bet into me on the river. At that point, I just called.

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Missed the positions. I think this is fine but I would consider raise/calling against a bad monkey. If he is extremely passive bad I think its fine and just calling down from the turn 3-bet as hip mentiones is prolly best.

BigBadBabar · #7 07-20-2007, 07:14 AM

hip i can't tell if you're advocating raising or folding pf?

TheHip41 · #8 07-20-2007, 07:46 AM

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hip i can't tell if you're advocating raising or folding pf?

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it's an inbetween hand for me. With super loose blinds, I don't want to raise, because it will be 4 ways for 2 bets each.

Then again, if they are super loose, limping isnt so bad.

If I feel limping will get me in a 4-5 way unraised pot, I'll limp. If the BB has a high folded to steal %, and the limper is easy to play against, I'll raise.

This hand, in the CO, is never going to be a standard line. Sometimes raising is good, sometimes limping is good, and sometimes folding is good.

I think just blindly limping any low PP after 1 limper is going to get you spank raised by tags in the blinds alot, because they know you have dick, when you cannot even iso a fishy UTG limp.

Oink · #9 07-20-2007, 07:52 AM

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And Oink, limping 55 there in the AP games, 5-10 and up is going to get you murderized.

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Brass isnt playing that game is he..? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Reading your other post I am pretty sure we agree completely.

bobhalford · #10 07-20-2007, 08:06 AM

Preflop is an awkward position. You almost want to fold, but don't want to raise, and calling feels weak.

I would cap the turn since you've underrepped your hand. QQ+ will 3-bet so you can cap. If he donks the river after you cap the turn, then I'd just make an "ok what do you have" call on the river.